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Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:36 am
by DispositionMatrix
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 91980.html
BELLEVUE, Wash., Dec. 11, 2015 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri should apologize and walk back his unconscionable remarks about how legally-armed citizens would be "thrown down on the ground with a gun pointed at them" at a crime scene, the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms said today.

"We are simply astonished at the abrasive attitude reflected by Sheriff Gualtieri's comments," said CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. "The sheriff has opposed open carry legislation, which the Florida Police Chiefs Association supports, but threatening lawfully-armed private citizens with physical abuse because they might have the misfortune to end up in the middle of an armed robbery or some other felony crime is unconscionable."

"If this guy can't tell the difference between an armed law-abiding citizen and some criminal," he added, "maybe he ought to pursue a different career. We know of hundreds of lawmen and women who have encountered armed citizens at crime scenes, and this is the first time we've ever heard of a sheriff whose first thought is to throw someone to the ground at gunpoint."
http://www.guns.com/2015/12/12/florida- ... shootings/
Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri, as reported by the News Service of Florida, said open carry is fundamentally dangerous.

For instance, he said, if an officer arrives at the scene of a crime and sees someone with a weapon, “At a minimum, they’re going to be thrown down on the ground with a gun pointed at them — or worse.”

In addition, if good guy with a gun walks into, say, a bank during an armed robbery, Gualtieri added, “he’s going to take one in the chest because he’s a threat.”
Why is a guy with holstered gun "a threat"? If LEOs are being trained to perceive anyone with a holstered gun as a threat then their training is incorrect, regardless of whether that is the norm in modern policing.

Re: Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:57 am
by TrueTexan
We are talking about Florida, where unarmed people are shot cause the armed person is in fear of his life. :sarcasm:

Re: Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:57 am
by workinstiff
Openly armed people within spitting distance of an investigation of an armed robbery....hmm, should the police consider them as suspect? Yep. Or if they are black just shoot them? :sarcasm:

My problem with this is the testosterone driven "we're the cops and you are shit" mentality driving it.

Re: Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 1:42 am
by Merkwuerdigliebe
If you are open carrying during an active shooter or armed robbery, you best put that sucker concealed before the police respond. It only makes sense. You don't want them wasting their time ensuring that you are not a threat. To do otherwise invites a LEO with a bullet to the head. If the LEO passes the holstered weapon by, it would encourage the robber to holster before the police arrive.

Re: Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 3:46 am
by BKinzey
If one find themselves open carrying during a robbery I'd suggest they worry about the criminals at hand, not what the police will do later. When the police arrive, I'd suggest they raise their hands like everyone else and follow the police's instructions. If it's safe to do so they might consider disarming and stepping away from the weapon. Since the police may very well search everyone it probably would not be a good idea to conceal, certainly not if one needs a license to conceal and you don't have one.

Re: Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 2:00 pm
by Merkwuerdigliebe
BKinzey wrote:If one find themselves open carrying during a robbery I'd suggest they worry about the criminals at hand, not what the police will do later. When the police arrive, I'd suggest they raise their hands like everyone else and follow the police's instructions. If it's safe to do so they might consider disarming and stepping away from the weapon. Since the police may very well search everyone it probably would not be a good idea to conceal, certainly not if one needs a license to conceal and you don't have one.
Of course there are probably exceptions, but if you put it in your pocket I'd have a hard time believing they would gig you for that. Interesting question. Do we LEOs on the list that can offer an opinion?

Re: Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri situation

Posted: Tue Dec 15, 2015 5:44 pm
by rascally
Merkwuerdigliebe wrote:
BKinzey wrote:If one find themselves open carrying during a robbery I'd suggest they worry about the criminals at hand, not what the police will do later. When the police arrive, I'd suggest they raise their hands like everyone else and follow the police's instructions. If it's safe to do so they might consider disarming and stepping away from the weapon. Since the police may very well search everyone it probably would not be a good idea to conceal, certainly not if one needs a license to conceal and you don't have one.
Of course there are probably exceptions, but if you put it in your pocket I'd have a hard time believing they would gig you for that. Interesting question. Do we LEOs on the list that can offer an opinion?
I'm pretty sure "in your pocket" is considered concealed. And if you don't have a permit or license to carry concealed, you'd better believe you'll be "gigged" for it...take that to the bank.