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Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestation"
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:20 am
by DispositionMatrix
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in- ... t-control/
Although we foreigners can offer no immediate solution to America’s gun infestation, we can see how you lost control of the plague of armed violence. Outsiders are also perplexed to see that you’ve done so little to grant your citizens a basic human right — the freedom to live without fear of death by gunshot.
Historically, there’s little mystery as to how it began. The early laws of each European empire relied on two pillars of gun safety: Firearm owners were obliged to apply for a license and then to register each firearm, just as we do with cars. Because these restrictions were copied to hundreds of colonies, almost all nations now rely on universal licensing and registration to regulate firearms. Except America.
Even as America rejected British rule and charted its own brave course, your Founding Fathers and settlers often did more to control firearms than you do today. In Dodge City, Kan.; Tombstone, Ariz.; New York; and Chicago — to name just a few — stringent gun controls were commonly imposed. But since then, interest groups have bullied politicians into allowing unlicensed, unquantified gun ownership. The United States is now alone with its Second Amendment and almost alone in regulating assault weapons and handguns with such laxity.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:39 am
by beaurrr
Jesus christ, will the endless stream of self-righteous foreign 'observers' telling us how fucked up our gun laws never end? Do these people not realize how very little Americans think of their opinions about us, guns or otherwise?
Is it time for Tequila yet?
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:41 am
by DispositionMatrix
beaurrr wrote:Is it time for Tequila yet?
2hours, 20 minutes.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:45 am
by beaurrr
DispositionMatrix wrote:beaurrr wrote:Is it time for Tequila yet?
2hours, 20 minutes.
Things are looking up; I though it was more like 4 hours.

Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:48 am
by TrueTexan
beaurrr wrote:DispositionMatrix wrote:beaurrr wrote:Is it time for Tequila yet?
2hours, 20 minutes.
Things are looking up; I though it was more like 4 hours.

It's always time for Tequila cause always five o'clock somewhere.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:01 am
by CDFingers
'Cause he's an Aussie, we eschew tequila and substitute "beeyah." But it's still a bit early for me, and I want to shoot part of the Bullseye Match today...
CDFingers
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:13 am
by Merkwuerdigliebe
Heh. So says the former penal colony.
Though it is a bit surprising to see how restrictive Aussie gun laws are since their Governments have consistently been fairly conservative. They still don't have gay marriages for example.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:24 am
by sikacz
Merkwuerdigliebe wrote:Heh. So says the former penal colony.
Though it is a bit surprising to see how restrictive Aussie gun laws are since their Governments have consistently been fairly conservative. They still don't have gay marriages for example.
Being conservative is the reason for strict gun control in my view. It's to keep all things the same with a splash of authoritarian.
I'll drink some wine tonight with y'all and finish off with the last of my whiskey!
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:36 am
by beaurrr
sikacz wrote:Merkwuerdigliebe wrote:Heh. So says the former penal colony.
Though it is a bit surprising to see how restrictive Aussie gun laws are since their Governments have consistently been fairly conservative. They still don't have gay marriages for example.
Being conservative is the reason for strict gun control in my view. It's to keep all things the same with a splash of authoritarian.
I'll drink some wine tonight with y'all and finish off with the last of my whiskey!
I have some Rye left.

Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:39 am
by SailDesign
DispositionMatrix wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in- ... t-control/
Although we foreigners can offer no immediate solution to America’s gun infestation, we can see how you lost control of the plague of armed violence. Outsiders are also perplexed to see that you’ve done so little to grant your citizens a basic human right — the freedom to live without fear of death by gunshot.
Historically, there’s little mystery as to how it began. The early laws of each European empire relied on two pillars of gun safety: Firearm owners were obliged to apply for a license and then to register each firearm, just as we do with cars. Because these restrictions were copied to hundreds of colonies, almost all nations now rely on universal licensing and registration to regulate firearms. Except America.
Even as America rejected British rule and charted its own brave course, your Founding Fathers and settlers often did more to control firearms than you do today. In Dodge City, Kan.; Tombstone, Ariz.; New York; and Chicago — to name just a few — stringent gun controls were commonly imposed. But since then, interest groups have bullied politicians into allowing unlicensed, unquantified gun ownership. The United States is now alone with its Second Amendment and almost alone in regulating assault weapons and handguns with such laxity.
I have to admit I kind of agree with him.
But that surprises no-one, I'm sure.

Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:48 am
by beaurrr
SailDesign wrote:DispositionMatrix wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in- ... t-control/
Although we foreigners can offer no immediate solution to America’s gun infestation, we can see how you lost control of the plague of armed violence. Outsiders are also perplexed to see that you’ve done so little to grant your citizens a basic human right — the freedom to live without fear of death by gunshot.
Historically, there’s little mystery as to how it began. The early laws of each European empire relied on two pillars of gun safety: Firearm owners were obliged to apply for a license and then to register each firearm, just as we do with cars. Because these restrictions were copied to hundreds of colonies, almost all nations now rely on universal licensing and registration to regulate firearms. Except America.
Even as America rejected British rule and charted its own brave course, your Founding Fathers and settlers often did more to control firearms than you do today. In Dodge City, Kan.; Tombstone, Ariz.; New York; and Chicago — to name just a few — stringent gun controls were commonly imposed. But since then, interest groups have bullied politicians into allowing unlicensed, unquantified gun ownership. The United States is now alone with its Second Amendment and almost alone in regulating assault weapons and handguns with such laxity.
I have to admit I kind of agree with him.
But that surprises no-one, I'm sure.

So America is different in this way. And that's bad how? What exactly is the problem?
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 11:02 am
by dougb
Historically, empires keep the serfs unarmed until the rulers need an army to defend themselves. Then the serfs are armed and sent out to die in vast numbers, supposedly to protect themselves from an other authoritarian ruler type, who would objectively be a mirror image of their current ruler.
Rulers name change would probably be the only change in the serfs life.
How can you be a gun expert unless you use guns?
How could an expert fail to notice that our levels of gun violence are dropping, even as the number of guns increases, unless of course they watch CNN.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/these ... uote]These new stats reveal the horrifying scale of domestic violence in Australia[/quote]
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/we-must ... 26vgw.html
Australia increasingly comes across as a place where foreigners, especially tourists and backpackers, can be bashed or killed and women can be dragged into cars by random strangers and physically or sexually assaulted
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/gun-co ... australia/
Some scholars even credit the 1996 gun law with causing the decrease in deaths from firearms, though they are still debating that point. A 2003 study from AIC, which looked at rates between 1991 and 2001, found that some of the decline in firearm-related homicides (and suicides as well) began before the reform was enacted. On the other hand, a 2006 analysis by scholars at the University of Sydney concluded that gun fatalities decreased more quickly after the reform. Yet another analysis, from 2008, from the University of Melbourne, concluded that the buyback had no significant effect on firearm suicide or homicide rates.
The Aussies are a violent people, apparently.. But they never had a lot of guns and they never had a lot of gun killings(once they stopped shooting the Abos),so a minor decrease in the number was a major decrease in the rate. But the decrease paralleled the rate decrease in the US.
Their house is still violent. You don't need guns to be violent or to kill. "He who is without sin...."
We spent a lot of blood to not be European.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:37 pm
by Mikester
Yeah, Australia's been having trouble with crime increases since the gun bans, and I think their rape rate is among the highest in the world now.
People like to compare countries to gauge effect of gun laws, but really what they have to do is look at the same country before and after the laws were passed.
For example, England's gun homicide rate is very low... But it was always that way, even when guns weren't restricted at all. Their gun violence and gun crime has only increased since the bans, but it was so low to start with that it still looks impressive compared to the USA.
It would be like if a super skinny guy (110 lbs) starts eating nothing but Taco Bell and gains 20 lbs yet other people start pointing to him and saying "look how thin this guy is on the Taco Bell diet, he only weighs 130 lbs! Taco Bell makes you thin!"
Another thing commonly forgotten is scale... The U.S. is the third most populous country in the world, so even very rare events are inevitably going to occur much more frequently in a population of 350 million than a population of 23 million.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:57 pm
by MayhemVI
beaurrr wrote: Jesus christ, will the endless stream of self-righteous foreign 'observers' telling us how fucked up our gun laws never end?
No. Never
beaurrr wrote: Do these people not realize how very little Americans think of their opinions about us, guns or otherwise?
No. Never
beaurrr wrote: Is it time for Tequila yet?
Bleech! No. Never. (Glenfiddich on the other hand)

Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:56 am
by workinstiff
DispositionMatrix wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/in- ... t-control/
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Historically, there’s little mystery as to how it began. The early laws of each European empire relied on two pillars of gun safety: Firearm owners were obliged to apply for a license and then to register each firearm, just as we do with cars.
Hell, this is true! The Carolingian Empire and the Holy Roman Empire relied on the two pillars of gun safety! Just as they did with their subjects cars!
Never mind crap like "all guns are loaded" and the other four. If every gun is licensed and registered, we are all safe from idiots with guns. Those are the two important things!
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 8:12 am
by sikacz
British rule sucked. It's why guns were used to overthrow it.
It is also ironic that guns created that empire. It created it for the one percenters and royals. Those against that expansion were not as well armed.
Re: Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestati
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 12:36 pm
by KnightsFan
Only a person untouched by colonialism would consider it a good thing to copy the laws designed to keep native populations suppressed.
Australian "gun expert" schools us on our gun "infestation"
Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 1:10 pm
by Herne
History, how does it work (they have no fucking idea about the history of UK gun control at least)
It also is very much *not* the history of gun control in colonial Southern Africa.