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Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 3:07 am
by lurker
DispositionMatrix wrote:
Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.
they can ban violence all they like and violence will not end.

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 7:16 am
by GeorgiaRN
“We shouldn’t ‘take them away’ from people who currently own them, necessarily,” writes Hollis Phelps in Salon. Oh, but we should.

Well come on down Georgia, because the good ole boys are sitting on their couches with an AR, thinking "I just wish a Motherf'er would...."

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Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:33 am
by Buck13
shinzen wrote:
senorgrand wrote:We should also ban racism. And everyone should have a pet unicorn.

How the hell did this ever get published? Are there no editors left in the world?
You don't have a pet unicorn?
My pet unicorn ate all my gunz.

Re: Re:

Posted: Sat Dec 12, 2015 10:59 am
by sikacz
Buck13 wrote:
shinzen wrote:
senorgrand wrote:We should also ban racism. And everyone should have a pet unicorn.

How the hell did this ever get published? Are there no editors left in the world?
You don't have a pet unicorn?
My pet unicorn ate all my gunz.
I got one of those unicorns too! Just can't keep the damn thing away from my guns and ammo!

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:03 pm
by Vodkin
Phoebe needs to stay in Canada unless she is willing to go door to door an confiscate our guns.

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 5:46 pm
by DavidMS
She could just be trying to make all lesser gun control laws seem reasonable but I doubt it. Gun bans are an elite centrist position (see also the failed effort, No Labels).

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 6:45 pm
by rascally
All these efforts to mitigate violence are going to end up the same way it did in "Serenity"...

Re: Re:

Posted: Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:42 pm
by CDFingers
sikacz wrote:
Buck13 wrote:
shinzen wrote:
senorgrand wrote:We should also ban racism. And everyone should have a pet unicorn.

How the hell did this ever get published? Are there no editors left in the world?
You don't have a pet unicorn?
My pet unicorn ate all my gunz.
I got one of those unicorns too! Just can't keep the damn thing away from my guns and ammo!
Metal munching moon mice.

CDFingers

Re: Re:

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:11 am
by KnightsFan
CDFingers wrote:
sikacz wrote:
Buck13 wrote:
My pet unicorn ate all my gunz.
I got one of those unicorns too! Just can't keep the damn thing away from my guns and ammo!
Metal munching moon mice.

CDFingers
Down here we got alloy alligators. But they can't tell the difference between alloy and straight steel.

Re: Re:

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 9:26 am
by sikacz
KnightsFan wrote:
CDFingers wrote:
sikacz wrote:
Buck13 wrote:
My pet unicorn ate all my gunz.
I got one of those unicorns too! Just can't keep the damn thing away from my guns and ammo!
Metal munching moon mice.

CDFingers
Down here we got alloy alligators. But they can't tell the difference between alloy and straight steel.
I hear steel termites are a problem in some areas.

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:05 am
by dandad
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DispositionMatrix wrote:Phoebe Maltz Bovy has written an article for The Atlantic and doesn't like guns.
https://newrepublic.com/article/125498/ ... s-yes-them
Ban guns. All guns. Get rid of guns in homes, and on the streets, and, as much as possible, on police. Not just because of San Bernardino, or whichever mass shooting may pop up next, but also not not because of those. Don’t sort the population into those who might do something evil or foolish or self-destructive with a gun and those who surely will not. As if this could be known—as if it could be assessed without massively violating civil liberties and stigmatizing the mentally ill. Ban guns! Not just gun violence. Not just certain guns. Not just already-technically-illegal guns. All of them.

I used to refer to my position on this issue as being in favor of gun control. Which is true, except that “gun control” at its most radical still tends to refer to bans on certain weapons and closing loopholes. The recent New York Times front-page editorial, as much as it infuriated some, was still too tentative. “Certain kinds of weapons, like the slightly modified combat rifles used in California, and certain kinds of ammunition, must be outlawed for civilian ownership,” the paper argued, making the case for “reasonable regulation,” nothing more. Even the rare ban-guns arguments involve prefacing and hedging and disclaimers. “We shouldn’t ‘take them away’ from people who currently own them, necessarily,” writes Hollis Phelps in Salon. Oh, but we should.

I say this not to win some sort of ideological purity contest, but because banning guns urgently needs to become a rhetorical and conceptual possibility. The national conversation needs to shift from one extreme—an acceptance, ranging from complacent to enthusiastic, of an individual right to own guns—to another, which requires people who are not politicians to speak their minds. And this will only happen if the Americans who are quietly convinced that guns are terrible speak out.


You know that can of Morton Salt on the table is a real killer. You should think about getting rid of that.. :D

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:22 am
by PiratePenguin
senorgrand wrote:We should also ban racism. And everyone should have a pet unicorn.
Ya know, alcohol kills more than twice as many people a year as guns do, and directly causes countless instances of violence and abuse.

Nobody needs an alcoholic beverage. They are designed for only one thing: to rob you of your senses and make you a danger to yourself and others.

Maybe we should ban it.

Again.

It worked out so well for us the last time!

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:36 am
by sikacz
PiratePenguin wrote:
senorgrand wrote:We should also ban racism. And everyone should have a pet unicorn.
Ya know, alcohol kills more than twice as many people a year as guns do, and directly causes countless instances of violence and abuse.

Nobody needs an alcoholic beverage. They are designed for only one thing: to rob you of your senses and make you a danger to yourself and others.

Maybe we should ban it.

Again.

It worked out so well for us the last time!
I believe there was an increase in criminal activity after that one too. Funny how that works.

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:42 am
by dandad
PiratePenguin wrote:
senorgrand wrote:We should also ban racism. And everyone should have a pet unicorn.
Ya know, alcohol kills more than twice as many people a year as guns do, and directly causes countless instances of violence and abuse.

Nobody needs an alcoholic beverage. They are designed for only one thing: to rob you of your senses and make you a danger to yourself and others.

Maybe we should ban it.

Again.

It worked out so well for us the last time!

how many tobacco kill ?

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 11:10 am
by TheHunterOfSkulls
PiratePenguin wrote:Ya know, alcohol kills more than twice as many people a year as guns do, and directly causes countless instances of violence and abuse.

Nobody needs an alcoholic beverage. They are designed for only one thing: to rob you of your senses and make you a danger to yourself and others.

Maybe we should ban it.

Again.

It worked out so well for us the last time!
This is exactly the thing to bring up whenever some nitwit starts yammering on about the social utility of firearms ownership. Alcohol has pretty much zero societal benefit, especially when compared to what it costs society on a daily basis.

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:29 pm
by sikacz
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-157.html
Note the murder rate was high due to prohibition and decreased after. Other crimes as well increased and prison populations increased as well. The brief AWB period might draw similar trends.

Re: "It’s Time to Ban Guns. Yes, All of Them"

Posted: Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:36 pm
by sikacz
Interesting reading up to early 1990's. Published in 1994.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-218.html