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link:

http://www.gunfacts.info/blog/everytown-agitprop/

I like the frame of "The Golden Age of Gun Control."

CDFingers

What does homicide rate have to do with the discussion at hand?

Not sure what it has to do with assault weapons either for that matter.

This is a more pertinent statistics:

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compa ... any_method


http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/compa ... gun_deaths

Not sure what suicides have to do with the thread either? The second link includes both homicides and suicides, with a gun being used as the implement. In neither are "Assault Weapons" much more than a statistical blip on the radar compared to handguns.

shinzen wrote:Not sure what suicides have to do with the thread either? The second link includes both homicides and suicides, with a gun being used as the implement. In neither are "Assault Weapons" much more than a statistical blip on the radar compared to handguns.

They had separate suicide numbers by gun and other if you wanted to break them out. But the first chart was more interesting. Numbers for homicide by gun really hasn't changed much over the years but the overall homicide rate has gone down overall.

If we're comparing total numbers to rate, the same could be said of the overall homicide rate and the total number of homicides. The total US population has grown by about 20% since 1993, so a lower rate given the same total number of incidents (relatively) is expected.

Merkwuerdigliebe wrote:...which brings up a relatively poignant point. I think much of the 2A "mob" (better?) is unawares of what the cities have to deal with when it comes to guns. DC isn't exactly a hotbed of violence -- it's a much bigger problem in the major cities (eg NYC, LA, Chicago, and Atlanta).

The cities don't have a problem with guns. They have a problem with people.

I actually agree with Coach. Shit.

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shinzen wrote:I actually agree with Coach. Shit.

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"I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
1 Corinthians 9:22

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shinzen wrote:I actually agree with Coach. Shit.

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"I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some."
1 Corinthians 9:22

Don't let it go to your head Coach, I also agree.

Coach wrote:

Merkwuerdigliebe wrote:...which brings up a relatively poignant point. I think much of the 2A "mob" (better?) is unawares of what the cities have to deal with when it comes to guns. DC isn't exactly a hotbed of violence -- it's a much bigger problem in the major cities (eg NYC, LA, Chicago, and Atlanta).

The cities don't have a problem with guns. They have a problem with people.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Blah blah blah.

I'd prefer running into my mugger holding his gun rather than his pistol.

Merkwuerdigliebe wrote: There were 39,000 gunshots in the Eastern part of DC between 2006 and 2013 and I would think your friends heard none of them. Me, I'm fairly well bracketed by the hot spots.

likely super mutants having another go at rivet city.
i've wondered recently why we call all ak##-based weapons ak, but we have a separate naming convention for semi-vs-full auto ar-type rifles.

Merkwuerdigliebe wrote: Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Blah blah blah.

I'd prefer running into my mugger holding his gun rather than his pistol.

Except criminals, by definition, ignore laws prohibiting them from doing things.

Like mugging you, for example. They will always arm themselves, regardless of legal prohibitions.

Outlawing weapons only disarms the law-abiding citizen, who has already chosen not to mug folks.

If you could magically remove firearms from America (and you can't), and control their importation from abroad (you can't do that, either), you would find yourself disarmed and your mugger wielding a hatchet, machete, or chainsaw.

In any case, I have a house full of guns, and none of them have jumped up and started killing folks yet.

lurker wrote:likely super mutants having another go at rivet city.
i've wondered recently why we call all ak##-based weapons ak, but we have a separate naming convention for semi-vs-full auto ar-type rifles.

Because we DIW. Even AKM (Автомат Калашникова Модернизированный) is incorrect. AK variants do not have a term analogous to AR-15, which conveniently covers all semi-automatic carbines that fit the old 5.56mm NATO Armalite pattern. Though also all-inclusive for AK variants, AK-pattern gets the job done in most cases since, at least in the gun world, it suggests semi-automatic carbine variant of the AKM/AK-47 given someone who owned the latter would be highly-motivated to brag about his/her highly-prized NFA Kalashnikov. Obviously, AK variant fulfills about the same role as AK-pattern.

Though even broader, AR-pattern almost works as well in place of AR-15 for AR variants, since anyone with a genuine M-16 or AR-10 likely would not be able to contain his/her glee and would want to differentiate his/her hardware from all the knock-offs.