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Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Control'"
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 10:55 am
by DispositionMatrix
Not him but Professor Amitai Etzioni from GWU.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/amitai-et ... 39712.html
One may say that the Supreme Court, after 250 years in which the Second Amendment was read as allowing only a well-regulated militia to have guns, recently reinterpreted it to mean that there is an individualized right to own guns. This suggests that we may have to get to domestic disarmament through the back door.
Make the gun manufacturers liable for harm done with their products. Ban the sale of ammunition. And vote for a president that will add to the Supreme Court those who will read the Second Amendment as written.
Above all, domestic disarmament is a true, compelling vision which cannot be said about the small gun control measures that are currently promoted by some of the most enlightened people among us.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:09 am
by beto
Not surprised . I always thought this was the ultimate goal. You can not talk with these people. Mere facts will not change their opinion. Look at Jamaica. The country has tried it and failed. I believe they subscribe to a philosophy that is antithical to our history as it stresses a view that the masses need to be led. Armed peasants are surly and ignorant so stealth is needed in imposing laws for their own good. It boils down to obey the elite they know best.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:33 pm
by inomaha
This is similar to the global warming deniers bringing out their authorities on the subject.
Amitai Etzioni, Ph.D. in Sociology from the University of California, Berkeley in 1958
Areas of Expertise
Sociological analysis of international relations, civil society, and transnational norms and institutions
https://elliott.gwu.edu/etzioni
He's probably a rather bright individual who has written and studied about multiple cultures, groups, and various subjects. But he's not a constitutional law scholar and likely wants to wish the US into a mixture of the multiple societies he's studied in the past. The constitution may be outdated, but the method to update it is not ignore it and look for backdoor methods to circumvent it.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:48 pm
by Inquisitor
NYT and HuffPO calling for confiscation. There goes the "nobody wants to take your guns" meme.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 3:52 pm
by shinzen
At least they're finally being honest. There's something to put in front of the voters and see who comes out on top.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 4:10 pm
by pdoggeth
Ironically, if we follow the suggestion of disarmament to its logical conclusion -- mandatory confiscation -- that would likely lead to violent insurrection and plenty more lives being lost to gun violence than we have currently.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:53 pm
by Checkman
pdoggeth wrote:Ironically, if we follow the suggestion of disarmament to its logical conclusion -- mandatory confiscation -- that would likely lead to violent insurrection and plenty more lives being lost to gun violence than we have currently.
Yes for it would not only mean throwing out the second amendment, but the fourth amendment as well. Probably a few others as well, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 7:59 pm
by Coach
Checkman wrote:Yes for it would not only mean throwing out the second amendment, but the fourth amendment as well. Probably a few others as well, but those are the ones that come to mind immediately.
Civil wars are rarely good times for civil rights.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 8:49 pm
by inomaha
Especially for people without guns.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Tue Dec 08, 2015 9:45 pm
by Checkman
The man is a professor. He's supposed to be not only educated and intelligent but a teacher. Look at both sides of the issue. Or all the sides. Geez.
I recall professors like him when I was in college and that was twenty-five years ago. Actually guys like him are an insult to the good teachers. Like my mother. (Hi Mom!)
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:33 pm
by FaerieGodfather
Whenever someone says they need to do something "through the backdoor" because the Constitution prohibits it, they need to be horsewhipped, shot, and then deported.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:35 pm
by DispositionMatrix
Korimyr wrote:Whenever someone says they need to do something "through the backdoor" because the Constitution prohibits it, they need to be horsewhipped, shot, and then deported.
I feel your pain, but I fully support the professor's right under the first amendment to
say how little he cares for the rest of the constitution. Were the professor actually in government, his disdain for the constitution would be more troubling.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 7:52 am
by Checkman
I told my wife about this guy. She is also a teacher. She said that if I had a chance to ask him about his op-ed he would probably argue that he is being provocative to start a discussion. The Socratic Method if you like. Sometimes being married to a teacher really sucks. Making me think isn't fair.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:43 am
by Stiff
Strictly from a practical point of view he's right, but of course we can't ignore the moral and legal aspects of gun control in this country. Effective gun control a la Europe and Australia is impossible because it's unfair to people who don't have guns yet, and it's useless to those who already have them. Disarmament is impossible without starting a civil war, and after such a war it's even more impossible.
He's just talking.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:55 am
by TrueTexan
Checkman wrote:I told my wife about this guy. She is also a teacher. She said that if I had a chance to ask him about his op-ed he would probably argue that he is being provocative to start a discussion. The Socratic Method if you like. Sometimes being married to a teacher really sucks. Making me think isn't fair.
Like Trump saying Ban Muslims.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 10:28 am
by CDFingers
The people who favor disarmament never address the strong premise of opposition that only law abiding people will be disarmed.
They fail to address it because they have no counter.
They are intellectually weak and dishonest.
May they all drip butter from corn on the cob onto their silk shirts. Bleh.
CDFingers
Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Control'"
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 4:57 pm
by Inquisitor
Am even professors must understand the power of speech. He can say it but it being published and widely heralded may have consequences he didn't intend. Unless he did.
Free speech is free speech. Don't fib about the intended outcome.
Re: Professor: "Needed: Domestic Disarmament, Not 'Gun Contr
Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:27 pm
by Catalyst
shinzen wrote:At least they're finally being honest. There's something to put in front of the voters and see who comes out on top.
That will go a long way on having an "honest" debate now...
