The Liberal Gun Club Forum

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A decade or two post-adolescence — as our own preschool-age children now practice “active shooter” drills in which they’re coached to cower in the closet or throw toys at a tactical-gear-outfitted maniac — millennials seem to have neither the desire nor the willpower to pressure our political leaders to do much to prevent such tragedies. If anything, we may be slightly more blasé about them than our elders.

Which does not bode well for liberals hoping that the arc of history will eventually bend toward greater gun control.

Poll data about views of gun control and specific gun-control measures are mixed, and responses vary depending how questions are asked. But statements about protecting gun rights generally elicit at least as much support from younger Americans as from older ones.

Goes on to quote some surveys.

Well, as a "Millennial" myself, I am a pretty big supporter of the Bill of Rights and that includes the 2A much to the ire of my other "Millennial" peers. So I find guns to be fun to shoot which is where I find you guys here!

We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

This... I can't deny that games like Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat got me a little interested, though the closest I've gotten for WWII guns is my Para Expert, I don't think my wife would appreciate me going down the WWII collector's rabbit hole just yet.

From my observations there are many millenias at the shooting range. Shooting is not a waning sport. The increase in gun sales I think is driven by milleneals. I think this drives the Brady bunch nuts. They are not buying their anti gun rhetoric.M any own Aks or AR's'

Thanks to the early Call of Duty games I'm still itching for a Garand and a 1911. Maybe the Garand will be a reward for paying off my student loans in a decade or two.

Somewhat goes against the old conventional wisdom that "gun owners are a dying breed". Hopefully it's a good sign. I've always worried that even though gun sales are going up, the actual number of new gun owners isn't keeping up with the overall population. Still, hopefully the numbers are on our side.

I lost interest at the point where a group of people are referred to by the generation to which they've been assigned.
That point was the headline.

beaurrr wrote:I lost interest at the point where a group of people are referred to by the generation to which they've been assigned.
That point was the headline.

It's almost like they want to encourage the generational war.

KnightsFan wrote:

beaurrr wrote:I lost interest at the point where a group of people are referred to by the generation to which they've been assigned.
That point was the headline.

It's almost like they want to encourage the generational war.

It funny sometimes my wife and I will look at each other when talking about our son and say we are sounding like our parents.

TrueTexan wrote:

KnightsFan wrote:

beaurrr wrote:I lost interest at the point where a group of people are referred to by the generation to which they've been assigned.
That point was the headline.

It's almost like they want to encourage the generational war.

It funny sometimes my wife and I will look at each other when talking about our son and say we are sounding like our parents.

It happens- The wheel turns.

Now, if my kid would get a damn haircut!

Bacchus wrote: Now, if my kid would get a damn haircut!

My kid probably wants me to get a haircut!

Buck13 wrote:

Bacchus wrote: Now, if my kid would get a damn haircut!

My kid probably wants me to get a haircut!

At this point I'm grateful for hair of any length that decides to stay on my head.

in my day we still had to do those stupid Duck and cover nuclear drills. Also fire and tornado drills.

I also think todays problem is that you can not turn on the tv without seeing either some fake "reality" show,or a crime based show, be it a CSI, or a cop show. It really just floods the airwaves with stupidity, and crime, and nothing else .. If thats all they see, then thats what they think is going on.

I remember when my grandmother was in her late 90s, she stared thinking that everywhere in the USA was like it was on Jerry Springer show or cop shows she watched. she never went out anymore, thinking that something would happen to her , like what she saw on TV. Then again, she didnt even know who she was looking at when shown her own picture .

RurouniKakita wrote:

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

This... I can't deny that games like Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat got me a little interested, though the closest I've gotten for WWII guns is my Para Expert, I don't think my wife would appreciate me going down the WWII collector's rabbit hole just yet.

I was also a pretty big nerd about WWII growing up and modern US military. I am also a huge fan of tactical first person shooters such as Red Orchestra, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, etc. So now I own a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and *gasp* the dreaded black rifle that is not an assault rifle!

DispositionMatrix wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... story.html

A decade or two post-adolescence — as our own preschool-age children now practice “active shooter” drills in which they’re coached to cower in the closet or throw toys at a tactical-gear-outfitted maniac — millennials seem to have neither the desire nor the willpower to pressure our political leaders to do much to prevent such tragedies. If anything, we may be slightly more blasé about them than our elders.

Which does not bode well for liberals hoping that the arc of history will eventually bend toward greater gun control.

Poll data about views of gun control and specific gun-control measures are mixed, and responses vary depending how questions are asked. But statements about protecting gun rights generally elicit at least as much support from younger Americans as from older ones.

Goes on to quote some surveys.

A toy for a pre-schooler to throw at an active shooter:

If my childhood video games had influenced me, I'd be standing at a ping pong table, slowing hitting the ball back and forth.

rgomezer wrote:

RurouniKakita wrote:

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

This... I can't deny that games like Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat got me a little interested, though the closest I've gotten for WWII guns is my Para Expert, I don't think my wife would appreciate me going down the WWII collector's rabbit hole just yet.

I was also a pretty big nerd about WWII growing up and modern US military. I am also a huge fan of tactical first person shooters such as Red Orchestra, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six, etc. So now I own a Mosin Nagant 91/30 and *gasp* the dreaded black rifle that is not an assault rifle!

I still am a WWII nerd especially since my dad was a B 24 gunner in Italy and ex-POW and I grew up hearing the war stories. Also I grew up as a SAC brat. We didn't have he video games growing up but we played army even high school ROTC. We even had first person shooters with the six o'clock news live from Vietnam. That was okay until the daft notices went out and friends came home in a box.

My son is a millennium, owns guns, love to shoot and is a strong liberal.

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

We're blaming them for what now?

I've lost count of the number of generation labels they've come up with. I don't think they really apply like they once did. Depression, WWII generation, baby boomers, boomer kids, technology generation.

Generations were once defined by their major world events. Now those events last decades and don't seem to end. I was 20 when the US first got into Iraq over 25 years ago. Think of WWII lasting so long that 2 generations could serve in the same conflict.

Now people are more likely to group together based on interests than age, country, or location. You can get to know people on the internet before you even bother to figure out if you were born within decades of each other or not. If travel technology ever advances like communication technology has, the location grouping would go away too. Live, work, study, etc. in different cities, states, or countries on a daily basis. I'm drifting a little, but only because, "I want my damned hover car already."

Perhaps a more apt title:

"Millenials mysterious support for all rights instead of just a few"

In my experience anyway, as a non-millennial, the ones I've known tend to be far more liberal and in alignment with a large chunk of many of the viewpoints that have been espoused on this site. From support of equal rights to drug legalization, I don't find it surprising that they would also support 2a. It does leave our conservative friends in a bit of a conundrum though, as a large majority of the policies that are supported by OWG's are not supported by the millennial crowd.

shinzen wrote:Perhaps a more apt title:

"Millenials mysterious support for all rights instead of just a few"

In my experience anyway, as a non-millennial, the ones I've known tend to be far more liberal and in alignment with a large chunk of many of the viewpoints that have been espoused on this site. From support of equal rights to drug legalization, I don't find it surprising that they would also support 2a. It does leave our conservative friends in a bit of a conundrum though, as a large majority of the policies that are supported by OWG's are not supported by the millennial crowd.

I've said it often that the problem with our country right now is the voting system that creates and maintains the 2 party system. They've divided the issues up so that neither party supports people's individual rights. There should be a minimum of 4 major parties to so people can fit into something and feel better about their voting. Now you're required to pick what you want taken away by the party you vote into power. It's not even the lesser of 2 evils voting anymore, but more like Sophie's choice voting.

RurouniKakita wrote:

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

This... I can't deny that games like Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat got me a little interested, though the closest I've gotten for WWII guns is my Para Expert, I don't think my wife would appreciate me going down the WWII collector's rabbit hole just yet.

But it's just a little rabbit hole!

sturner wrote:

RurouniKakita wrote:

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

This... I can't deny that games like Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat got me a little interested, though the closest I've gotten for WWII guns is my Para Expert, I don't think my wife would appreciate me going down the WWII collector's rabbit hole just yet.

But it's just a little rabbit hole!

It's not a rabbit hole. Rabbit holes are for the plastic guns like AR15s and Glocks. For the real combat classics you just have to Follow The Yellow Brick Road. Even then watch out for the Wicked Witch of the West, DiFi and don't let her get your guns.

sturner wrote:

RurouniKakita wrote:

KnightsFan wrote:We're back to blaming violent video games I see.

Though in this case that might be true. How many young gun enthusiasts get into them because of video games? How many have an OK understanding of them because they've played first person shooters since they were little?

Personally part of my interest in guns came from playing video games. I wanted to find out the real life counterpart to the model my character was holding. So I did, I researched it, and later that led me to buying a pistol and still the firearms I want the most are ones that I've used in video games since I was a kid.

Also I think there might be an age difference as far as the way we see the world. Generation Y has grown up with concealed weapon permits being a fact, we've grown up with guns in pop culture and on the streets. They're not so scary to us.

ETA: Also we've grown up always knowing that the Second Amendment is an individual right. It's never really been in question to us, so we see it as a constitutional issue.

This... I can't deny that games like Counter-Strike, and Day of Defeat got me a little interested, though the closest I've gotten for WWII guns is my Para Expert, I don't think my wife would appreciate me going down the WWII collector's rabbit hole just yet.

But it's just a little rabbit hole!

Like some cars, it's bigger inside than out...