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First we have The Donald trying to out Trump every other candidate by saying that he saw Moslems in New Jersey cheering was 9/11 occurred.

Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down. And I watched in Jersey City, New Jersey, where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/22/us/po ... .html?_r=1

Now we have Ben "I'm a Brain Surgeon " Carson saying he saw a film about the same thing so we know it happened.

Republican presidential hopeful Ben Carson joined GOP rival Donald Trump in claiming that he, too, saw news footage of Muslim-Americans cheering as the World Trade Center towers fell on Sept. 11, 2001 -- despite the fact that no such footage has turned up yet.

"I saw the film of it, yes," Carson told reporters at a Monday campaign event, adding that it was documented by "newsreels."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben ... 9a5b0bf92f

These are the GOP front runners?

Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann are not as crazy as these two.

He also said he had lots of private investigators in Hawaii who had found many interesting things about Obama's birth certificate, and the media completely gave him a pass. Following Trump's birther nonsense, every time that guy stepped outside a building, someone should have been on him like a maggot, asking the following:
-What interesting things were found out about the birth certificate? Can you show us just one interesting thing your private investigators found?
-How many private investigators did you have in Hawaii? What were their names? Can you give us the name of just one of them so we can follow up?

If the media knew how to do it's job, by now Trump would be hiding indoors and afraid to come out to do things like campaign since he would risk facing a barrage of uncomfortable questions.

DispositionMatrix wrote: If the media knew how to do it's job, by now Trump would be hiding indoors and afraid to come out to do things like campaign since he would risk facing a barrage of uncomfortable questions.

I think the media are doing a job by letting Trump represent the grand old party and their solid base of jugheads & yahoos.

TrueTexan wrote:
Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann are not as crazy as these two.

Nothing more really need be said... and I do believe I agree.

The media is by current standards doing it's job. Ratings.

In college I studied Journalism. It was once an honorable endeavor. I edited the college weekly paper. At this point I'm glad I did not stay with it after college.

workinstiff wrote:The media is by current standards doing it's job. Ratings.

In college I studied Journalism. It was once an honorable endeavor. I edited the college weekly paper. At this point I'm glad I did not stay with it after college.

My father , my uncle, and my brother all had/ have long careers in television. My dad was Chef engineer for the local NBC affiliate for over 30 years, my uncle was in TV for 15 years before being hired away as head of communications for our monopoly electric company Ameren, and my brother still works in TV , right now as chef engineer for a CSPAN like entity in Wisconsin. Forget what they are called. He is trying to get out of there though.

My dad use to have a saying when friends and family ask him if he knew why there was so much garbage on TV, including the news. He would always say once News became part of the Ratings game, real journalism was over. As for the crap on TV , I always liked his response.. " If Pigs want slop, who are they do deny them"

Bacchus wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:
Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann are not as crazy as these two.

Nothing more really need be said... and I do believe I agree.

Imagine if Trump had fathered children with Sarah or Michelle. What would they be like?

Carson walked away from his claim, saying he was referring to the newsreels of Palestinians dancing in the streets after 9-11.
So the frontrunners of the GOP presidential nomination- a compulsive liar and a man who seems perpetually confused.

I can only hope that the 'Donalds' plan is to destroy the GOP from within. If so, It might be genius.

popgunn wrote:

Bacchus wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:
Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann are not as crazy as these two.

Nothing more really need be said... and I do believe I agree.

Imagine if Trump had fathered children with Sarah or Michelle. What would they be like?

I did NOT need that mental image... <shudder>

SailDesign wrote:

popgunn wrote:

Bacchus wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:
Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann are not as crazy as these two.

Nothing more really need be said... and I do believe I agree.

Imagine if Trump had fathered children with Sarah or Michelle. What would they be like?

I did NOT need that mental image... <shudder>

That thought needs brain bleach.

DispositionMatrix wrote:If the media knew how to do it's job, by now Trump would be hiding indoors and afraid to come out to do things like campaign since he would risk facing a barrage of uncomfortable questions.

Why does the media have to fact-check Trump? Isn't it obvious that he's lying through his teeth? (Sarcasm alert: the preceding sentence is meant as a joke; details below).

As usual, let's be systematic about this, and start with a taxonomy. There are tea-party style ultra-conservatives. They will believe everything Trump says, because it has truthiness to it. It doesn't matter whether respectable media fact-check him or not. If the NYT were to determine conclusively that Trump lied and published that, the Trumpers (Trumpini?) would just ascribe it to the liberal bias of the media.

On the other hand, there are liberals. They don't need fact-checking. They know that Trump is lying. Either because they are reasonable well educated and know the facts (and know how to find them, for example using the internet as a tool). Or because they are uneducated, but dyed-in-the-wool liberals, and simply believe firmly that Trump is a tool.

Neither group is served by fact-checking. So it would be a waste of time for the media to do this.

So maybe one should think the other candidates should be fact-checking, and attacking Trump? Alas, they won't. The republican candidates are all afraid of upsetting the hard-core republican base which is currently following Trump, so they won't do anything to insult him, for fear the anger of the base will taint them. Matter-of-fact, there was a nice article in the WaPo today, suggesting that since Jeb Bush is done for anyhow (he has no chance of winning the primaries), yet has oodles of money and lots of influence, he should sacrifice himself and use his resources to knock Trump out of the race, thereby enabling another republican candidate to win the presidential election. Because if Trump is the republican candidate, he will lose, and lose so spectacularly it will drag lots of other republican candidates down with him. Everyone here remember the 1964 presidential election, right?

On the other hand, the democrats wouldn't do anything to attack Trump. He is a gift from heaven for them. If he is the republican candidate, the democrats could even run a dead cat and a penguin and still win. Which would probably be preferable to their current selection of candidates. The thing that Hillary and Bernie and most afraid of is a centrist, competent republican candidate, who would likely eat their lunch.

Now that Trump has been proven correct: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... ebrations/

who among you has the courage to admit you were wrong and apologize to him?

"Hey, I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the billionaire businessman and former Atlantic City casino tycoon said during a rally Saturday night in Birmingham, Ala., according to video of his speech. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering.

You do realize that what he was talking about were rumors, and when the police arrived to the reported locations where this was supposed to be happening, it wasn't. Unfounded internet rumors being backed up by someone as reliable as Breitbart. Quality air support right there.

It's fairly obvious what happened here. He saw the videos of overseas celebrations, heard rumors of the NJ ones, and 14 years later put the two together as a single event. Selective memory at it's finest.

Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann are not as crazy as these two.

Nope. An hour ago I would have agreed with this, but I was just in a patients room while the 700 Club was on. I was lucky (<- sarcasm!) enough to hear an interview with Sarah Palin. Still batshit crazy. And stupid.

And, by the way, so is Pat Roberts.

FiremanBob wrote:Now that Trump has been proven correct: http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... ebrations/

who among you has the courage to admit you were wrong and apologize to him?

Swing and a miss. The article mentions "people" who are presumed to be Muslims celebrating. And it never comes close to backing up the "thousands" claim. Not even remotely close. And where is the provenance that these people were in fact Muslims and not proto-OWSers or some other subspecies of malcontent? As a native Jersian, I can tell you that no small quantity of my former neighbors will cheer anything that catches on fire. ....... Come to think of it, how do we know that they were cheering/celebrating as opposed to just reacting strongly to the Pearl Harbor of the 21st century? If you were on one of the rooftops, would you just be clucking your tongue while peering over the top of your Hemingway novel?

Honestly, your boy who wrote the article you're feeling so smug about lost me with his overuse of the word "contemporaneous". A lifetime of experience has taught me that anyone who goes that far out of their way to sound smart usually can't think their way out of a wet paper bag.

And experience has taught me to repeat myself and make things ultra-clear with the type of person who would give the Donald any credibility. He said thousands. Not dozens, not hundreds, not even "lotsa". He has repeatedly said THOUSANDS. Since you want to weigh in and sound superior while doing it, I want you to point out where any corroborating report supports the term THOUSANDS.

FiremanBob wrote: who among you has the courage to admit you were wrong and apologize to him?

donald trump is a pathological liar who can kiss my lilly white butt.
any questions?

I don't like Trump. As unsophisticated as it might sound he creeps me out.

The river Denial sure runs deep in this forum.

Trump is a moving target. Do you call him a liar for what he said, or for his denial of what he said after the facts are presented.

If I accept him as a truth teller, then I have to believe that he actually does not understand our government operations manual(Constitution) as he seems to believe that the Pres gets his own way always, that putting troops into battle is a universal remedy, that churches can be closed by Presidential Edict, and people need to be listed by religion, and that the media should pay him to participate in his run for office.

Of course he may believe everything he says, which means he isn't lying, but is just wrong.

FiremanBob wrote:The river Denial sure runs deep in this forum.

Yes. Denying to answer direct questions runs deep with every conservative I've ever met on any forum.