Saw Trump on the news this morning stating we should create a Muslim registry in the U.S. Can anybody explain how this is any different than what Hitler did to the Jews? Maybe fascism really will come to America wrapped in the flag.
I also saw Hillary saying such zenophobic attitudes are not who we are. I live in the liberal oasis of Massachusetts, and unfortunately, even here, to hear people talking on the streets it appears that is exactly who many Americans are. I'm beginning to feel like a minority.

Better make them wear half moon patches too so we can identify them...

Wrboz wrote: I live in the liberal oasis of Massachusetts, and unfortunately, even here, to hear people talking on the streets it appears that is exactly who many Americans are. I'm beginning to feel like a minority.

Massachusetts has long been a hotbed of xenophobia and racism, never forget that Jim Crow first appeared in Boston, prior to the Civil War.

But as a whole, yeah fascism and authoritarianism have always come wrapped in the Stars and Stripes. It's how they fool people.

And I know I'm a minority. I value the principles of freedom, liberty and democracy over the very tiny possibility of me or my family being harmed in a terrorist attack. I refuse to give into irrational fear.

TheViking wrote:Better make them wear half moon patches too so we can identify them...

Don't need the sarcasm tag at all.... Sadly.

http://usuncut.com/news/trump-goes-full ... id-badges/

KnightsFan wrote:
And I know I'm a minority. I value the principles of freedom, liberty and democracy over the very tiny possibility of me or my family being harmed in a terrorist attack. I refuse to give into irrational fear.

Right there with you buddy.

SailDesign wrote:

TheViking wrote:Better make them wear half moon patches too so we can identify them...

Don't need the sarcasm tag at all.... Sadly.

http://usuncut.com/news/trump-goes-full ... id-badges/

Well then...

Next up in the United States of Trump, collect all Muslims in camps...

trump has, so far as i can tell, no policy apart from a firm commitment to free-range capitalism. he has someone read the polls and comment sections of conservative blogs to develop his talking points. in short, he's a demagogue who appeals to our basest fears and prejudices, who cares for nothing except his own cult of personality.

lurker wrote:trump has, so far as i can tell, no policy apart from a firm commitment to free-range capitalism. he has someone read the polls and comment sections of conservative blogs to develop his talking points. in short, he's a demagogue who appeals to our basest fears and prejudices, who cares for nothing except his own cult of personality.

Bingo, he will not even be around next November. He is also doing a good job at giving us some insight into human nature.

eelj wrote: he will not even be around next November.

oh, i hope. but i'm not so confident. i've been expecting him to implode any minute now, for the last six months, and he just seems to get stronger.

The problem I see is Trump is not calculating. The other people running are probably just as bad, they are just smoother and better at the end game. He's running a populist campaign, just like the Dems. Nobody has any substance so both sides have to make promises, they have to demonize opponents, and the they have to use fear, patriotism, shame, xenophobia, and racism.

The Dems are using the same issue on the other side to further their political careers. Obama tells us not to be scared of women, children, and the elderly coming from the area. Tugging at heartstrings for votes. When all it will take is one of those women, children, or elderly to blow themselves up, like the woman in France, to prove him wrong. One. It will happen someday and it will only take one. Then what? Obama will have let one in that did exactly what the other side is talking about.

I don't agree with the right, but the left isn't answering the questions that will come back to bite them. They aren't tempering the issue with saying the truth. Someone could very well come here from there and do what the right is saying, but we can't live in fear because they could come from anywhere.

I honestly don't see Trump as being much different from the rest of the politicans out there at that level. They'll temper what they say and tailor the same sort of policies to win the end game. If the Dems were so worried about Syrians, they'd stop dropping missles on them and blowing up the cities they live in.

inomaha wrote:The problem I see is Trump is not calculating. The other people running are probably just as bad, they are just smoother and better at the end game. He's running a populist campaign, just like the Dems. Nobody has any substance so both sides have to make promises, they have to demonize opponents, and the they have to use fear, patriotism, shame, xenophobia, and racism.

The Dems are using the same issue on the other side to further their political careers. Obama tells us not to be scared of women, children, and the elderly coming from the area. Tugging at heartstrings for votes. When all it will take is one of those women, children, or elderly to blow themselves up, like the woman in France, to prove him wrong. One. It will happen someday and it will only take one. Then what? Obama will have let one in that did exactly what the other side is talking about.

I don't agree with the right, but the left isn't answering the questions that will come back to bite them. They aren't tempering the issue with saying the truth. Someone could very well come here from there and do what the right is saying, but we can't live in fear because they could come from anywhere.

I honestly don't see Trump as being much different from the rest of the politicans out there at that level. They'll temper what they say and tailor the same sort of policies to win the end game. If the Dems were so worried about Syrians, they'd stop dropping missles on them and blowing up the cities they live in.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... tleblowers http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/n ... tleblowers

TheViking wrote:

SailDesign wrote:

TheViking wrote:Better make them wear half moon patches too so we can identify them...

Don't need the sarcasm tag at all.... Sadly.

http://usuncut.com/news/trump-goes-full ... id-badges/

Well then...

Next up in the United States of Trump, collect all Muslims in camps...

I'm almost confident you could put money on that. He's just voicing the Vox Populi with no thought of follow-up.

I agree that Trump will most likely not be around come next November. What bothers me is the sheer number of people who agree with him. I realize the country has been divided close to 50/50 since Ronnie, but the conservative 50% are becoming bigger and bigger assholes. At what point do they do irreversible damage to the republic? Or have they already?

Wrboz wrote:I agree that Trump will most likely not be around come next November. What bothers me is the sheer number of people who agree with him. I realize the country has been divided close to 50/50 since Ronnie, but the conservative 50% are becoming bigger and bigger assholes. At what point do they do irreversible damage to the republic? Or have they already?

Happened already. The 2003 invasion of Iraq really destabilized the whole area, and helped in giving rise to ISIS as a dominant force there. While I'm glad we got out of Iraq (well, mostly out of Iraq), I'm wondering now if we might have to go back again to help fix the mess we made going in the last time.

Make sTRUMPet and his followers wear this:

( )*( )

lurker wrote:

eelj wrote: he will not even be around next November.

oh, i hope. but i'm not so confident. i've been expecting him to implode any minute now, for the last six months, and he just seems to get stronger.

I'm remaining optimistic. There is still a lot of time between now and next November, an eternity in politics. I am counting on the better angels of our nature to walk many back from the edge they have been approaching. It's one thing to vent and throw support behind a candidate who plays to your fears, and it's another to vote for him. Some will always feel more comfortable in the arena of hate and fear, and that's a shame. I shudder to think, though, if we are unlucky enough to suffer an attack on our soil what the political outcome may be.

I'm convinced that by giving in to fear, by shutting out refugees - or worse, by persecuting them or putting them into camps - by sending in US forces directly into the morass, it will be playing directly into the hands of the nihilist bastards who want to frame this conflict as a struggle with crusaders.

Many who are voting for Trump and Carson are angry, having seen their fortunes declining and not seeing any prospect for improvement. Trump or Carson won't see to their interests - at the end of all the anger, vitriol, and scapegoating, they'll still be sucking air. A candidate who will genuinely improve their lot deserves their attention. Sadly, I don't see any candidate on the right offering anything that would fit that bill.

Trump is a piece of work

He's a piece of something...

What will he think of next? Perhaps making them all sew a yellow crescent onto their clothing. Then make them all live in a ghetto, boycott their businesses, ban intermarriage with Christians? Wait... this all seems so familiar somehow

Trump is batshit crazy but to be fair to him I don't he actually called for a registry. The clickbait made it sound so outrageous that against my better judgement I actually watched the interview. The reporter asking him questions kept throwing out these leading ones about a registry; it sounded like Trump was trying to make the conversation about his big border wall. Nothing in his actual words pointed to a registry of Muslims. He'd probably be down with it though the idea polls well.

Crazy as he is he might be the sanest one in the clown car! I used to think Kasich was sane at least until his proposal to create a government agency to promote Christian values around the world.

Phaedrus wrote:Trump is batshit crazy but to be fair to him I don't he actually called for a registry. The clickbait made it sound so outrageous that against my better judgement I actually watched the interview. The reporter asking him questions kept throwing out these leading ones about a registry; it sounded like Trump was trying to make the conversation about his big border wall. Nothing in his actual words pointed to a registry of Muslims. He'd probably be down with it though the idea polls well.

Crazy as he is he might be the sanest one in the clown car! I used to think Kasich was sane at least until his proposal to create a government agency to promote Christian values around the world.

What Phaedrus said

Trump did call for a national database on Muslim citizens of the U.S.A., and other stupid things like shutting down mosques.
Maybe a database is not quite the same as registration, but it is awfully close.
Anyway, this is the mainstream Republican chance to sink Trump's campaign and they are going for it.
If they succeed I hope with all my heart Trumpy decides to run as a Third Party candidate.

Carson, jumping on the Bandwagon, now calls for a database on all immigrants.

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/b ... ims-216107

As for Cruz, he is as crazy as his father. He will be a right wing religious shill that supports the big banking interest. He has no interest in supporting or helping the non-rich Americans.

senorgrand wrote:

Trump is a piece of work

He's a piece of something...

Well, we do talk about "letting the dog out to do his job." Although in this case it's probably a tribble.

remember when the RightWing thought is was just fine for the Teahadist to disrupt town hall meetings and political rally's of those not supporting their ideals. Well seems Trump has the cure. A Black Lives Matter activist called out Trump at a political rally. Trump called "Get him the hell out" so The Trump followers be gain to beat and kick as he was removed.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politi ... m-hell-out

Just good old fashioned right wing political tactics at work. They believe the oldies but goodies still work. Demagoguery at its worst.

Just saw this one, too. <sigh>

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-t ... d=35355447