Kasich has lost his mind

As part of a broad national security plan to defeat ISIS, Republican Presidential candidate John Kasich proposed creating a new government agency to push Judeo-Christian values around the world.

The new agency, which he hasn't yet named, would promote a Jewish- and Christian-based belief system to four regions of the world: China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.

"We need to beam messages around the world" about the freedoms Americans enjoy, Kasich said in an interview with NBC News Tuesday. "It means freedom, it means opportunity, it means respect for women, it means freedom to gather, it means so many things."

He defended creating a new government agency at a time when fellow Republican presidential candidates discuss eliminating government agencies to making the government smaller.

I..don't usually post these kind of things...but....whiskey tango foxtrot?

Grab your fire extinguishers! The First Amendment just burst into flames.

The part of the quote that reeks the most irony is where he says, "it means respect for women". Absolutely priceless.

Oh for fuck's sake.

Edit: Was reminded we needed to keep this place classy and poor grammar would not reflect well on us.

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The irony of a "small government" conservative pushing to create a new federal agency funded "somehow" to stick its nose in the world's business.

...China, Iran, Russia and the Middle East.

Now, I may be wrong, but isn't Iran kind of already in the Middle East? I think I just found a way to cut his required budget by 25%.

So...he wants to combat ISIS's Sharia with something similar, albeit with a "Judeo-Christian" label?

That seems oddly familiar... Where have we seen something similar before? Hmmmm...

Just when I began to think that he was the one GOP candidate that lacked the 'whacko gene'....

TheViking wrote:That seems oddly familiar... Where have we seen something similar before? Hmmmm...

beat me to it.

[youtu_be]http://youtu.be/Ez6wfJWVCeI[/youtu_be]

At the same time, Ben Carson wants government censorship of religious "hate speech" and "[non-]constructive discourse".

Good times.

It's really a good thing the debates don't focus on core values-What the Constitution is and means, what the different amendments mean to the feds, job definition of "President", how to build farm buildings, who is a citizen.
320,000,000 people to chose from, and these are the best our major parties can come up with. Once in my life I would like to vote for the best candidate instead of the least bad. And I am out of beer.

Maybe a few generations of enlightened dictatorship would be an improvement. I wonder if the vast majority would even notice.

jsled wrote:At the same time, Ben Carson wants government censorship of religious "hate speech" and "[non-]constructive discourse".

Good times.

How in the ever fuck is this guy even a real candidate for anything? This whole cycle has to be a joke. Doesn't it? Please tell me it's just a big practical joke??

shinzen wrote:

jsled wrote:At the same time, Ben Carson wants government censorship of religious "hate speech" and "[non-]constructive discourse".

Good times.

How in the ever fuck is this guy even a real candidate for anything? This whole cycle has to be a joke. Doesn't it? Please tell me it's just a big practical joke??

We can but dream - and hope it isn't the nightmare it appears to be.

Can you imagine how boring this election cycle would be without these clowns? If all we had was jeb and hillary till next Nov. there would be a 40% voter turn out. How embarrassing.

shinzen wrote:

jsled wrote:At the same time, Ben Carson wants government censorship of religious "hate speech" and "[non-]constructive discourse".

Good times.

How in the ever fuck is this guy even a real candidate for anything? This whole cycle has to be a joke. Doesn't it? Please tell me it's just a big practical joke??

I've had more than a few laughs and chuckles, an it's true that this cycle has had more than it's share of howlers. Recently, though, it has just been making me sad and increasingly upset. This is what we have to choose from for the highest office in the land?! It's gone from entertaining to worrying. The two Republican front runners are arguably the two least qualified, come across as either buffoons or just plain ignorant of important issues, and yet are perceived as truth-tellers to their supporters which, apparently, is the sole qualification for the job. Until the other day, I actually thought Kasich had some weight to him, and then comes this brilliant plan of linking Judeo-Christian to what would otherwise be commendable and widely accepted values.

Edited to add: My beef isn't with things Judeo-Christian, it's with the arrogance that comes from implying that somehow no one else holds those values, whether they have another belief system, believe in multiple gods, are Godless Communists, or whatever.

My "favourite" Carson clip recently. Watch all the way to the Palestinian reference....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10 ... nref=story

Of all the dumb, ignorant things for him to say... The sheer irony is so thick as to be palpable!

"Judeo-Christian values" are exactly where the worst parts of Islam come from!


Islam, like Mormonism, declares its holy book to be the final chapter of a trilogy. Islam teaches that the Torah/Old Testament and the psalms are the inspired word of God, and it claims Jesus was a prophet but that his true gospel was lost - though it's said the Christian gospels get some stuff right. Muhammad himself was heavily inspired by Judeo-Christian oral traditions.

The main difference is that many Muslims still take the Old Testament literally...

The Qu'ran reads exactly like you'd expect from a warlord inspired by Moses. Islam teaches that non-believers should be destroyed and conquered. The spoils of war chapter commands that non-believer women should be made into sex slaves. However Muhammad was a bit more pragmatic so the Qu'ran says to enslave some infidel men instead of killing them all like Moses would. This shit is all straight out of the Old Testament.

Many of the abuses behind Sharia law are from the Hadith, a collection of quotes and teachings by Muhammad, and are similarly derived. This is where Islam demands that gays should be killed, women should keep their heads covered and be subservient to men, women who have pre-marital sex (including rape victims) are to be stoned to death, a prohibition against graven images, and all of that. These are all based on Leviticus, Deuteronomy, and Christian oral tradition at the time which, again, were the basis for Muhammad's teachings.

Judeo-Christian "values" aren't the solution, they are literally the problem. These people need LESS faith, not more!

TheViking wrote:That seems oddly familiar... Where have we seen something similar before? Hmmmm...

Why don't we have an emoticon for a spit take?

People like to constantly depict or talk about christian crusaders but I sometime wonder if they even know when or who led the first religious crusade of conquest? It not only was centuries before the first christian crusade of the late 11th century bur was before the common era.

eelj wrote:People like to constantly depict or talk about christian crusaders but I sometime wonder if they even know when or who led the first religious crusade of conquest? It not only was centuries before the first christian crusade of the late 11th century bur was before the common era.

Anti-semitism on a genocidal scale was around long before Hitler, doesn't make him less evil...



Yes, I know, Godwin's Law... [emoji23]



First large scale religious crusade conquest? Off the top of my head I'd say the Prophet Muhammad sometime in the 600s.

[quote="TheViking"][quote="eelj"]People like to constantly depict or talk about christian crusaders but I sometime wonder if they even know when or who led the first religious crusade of conquest? It not only was centuries before the first christian crusade of the late 11th century bur was before the common era.[/quote]

Anti-semitism on a genocidal scale was around long before Hitler, doesn't make him less evil...



Yes, I know, Godwin's Law... [emoji23]



First large scale religious crusade conquest? Off the top of my head I'd say the Prophet Muhammad sometime in the 600s.[/quote]1400-1200 BCE, Israelites defeating Caanan.

Sigh... I miss Jon Stewart about now, things are just getting good.

I need perspective from you wise experienced folks.

Has the Republican always had these kooks in it, but before now they were kept out of sight by the short primary campaign and strength of the party establishment?

Or is this a new phenomenon?

KnightsFan wrote::hmmm: I need perspective from you wise experienced folks.

Has the Republican always had these kooks in it, but before now they were kept out of sight by the short primary campaign and strength of the party establishment?

Or is this a new phenomenon?

At one time most of the deeply religious people in America were new deal dems. That changed in the 70s. The dems started to ignore all religious people and in fact treat them with scorn, so they became republicans and radicalized.