Evidently another catastrophy like Paris has been averted in Hanover Germany. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... irror_main The responces world wide have not been good. In Turkey at the beginning of a soccer game the call for 1 min of silence out of respect for the slain in France was answered with boos and shouts of allahu akbar. I think the era of liberal tolerance in europe is about to come to a screaching halt.

It'll probably put a halt to Turkey's EU application. I wouldn't be surprised if this continues that their associate member status may be in danger.

I would guess an interesting experiment could be executed: a large number of rats in a finite space, then raise the temperature--say, 1 degree Celsius: they'd go at each other, is my guess.

For Fireman Bob and others of limited creativity: the rats are us; the finite space is the Earth, and we're heating ourselves up: we're goin' at each other...

Are we having fun yet?

CDFingers

eelj wrote:Evidently another catastrophy like Paris has been averted in Hanover Germany. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... irror_main The responces world wide have not been good. In Turkey at the beginning of a soccer game the call for 1 min of silence out of respect for the slain in France was answered with boos and shouts of allahu akbar. I think the era of liberal tolerance in europe is about to come to a screaching halt.

Meh. Europe is committed to its existing policies. http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... ugees.html

sikacz wrote:It'll probably put a halt to Turkey's EU application. I wouldn't be surprised if this continues that their associate member status may be in danger.

I truly do not think that will be the case.

Turkey is uniquely positioned to sit among three great empires--if we look at three thousand years of history. Turkey always possess qualities from all three empires. I respect Turkey for surviving under such conditions. Turkey is a stunningly valuable NATO member. And baklava--they makes it. Some things are more important than others.

It's not just because I have some groovy Turkish Mausers, neither.

CDFingers

CDFingers wrote:

sikacz wrote:It'll probably put a halt to Turkey's EU application. I wouldn't be surprised if this continues that their associate member status may be in danger.

I truly do not think that will be the case.

Turkey is uniquely positioned to sit among three great empires--if we look at three thousand years of history. Turkey always possess qualities from all three empires. I respect Turkey for surviving under such conditions. Turkey is a stunningly valuable NATO member. And baklava--they makes it. Some things are more important than others.

It's not just because I have some groovy Turkish Mausers, neither.

CDFingers

I'm not advocating the idea, but tempers do boil over. Germany at the moment is one of the biggest objectors to Turkey's application. That application was submitted in the late 80's. I'm not optimistic. The EU is not that uniform. There are many ethnic groups and not all people in every country is happy with the stipulations put on them to get into the EU. I'm pessimistic on the EU. I was also against Finland joining for a list of reasons. It won't take much to have the discontented tell their governments they want out. I don't see a rosy future.

eelj wrote:Evidently another catastrophy like Paris has been averted in Hanover Germany. http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... irror_main The responces world wide have not been good. In Turkey at the beginning of a soccer game the call for 1 min of silence out of respect for the slain in France was answered with boos and shouts of allahu akbar. I think the era of liberal tolerance in europe is about to come to a screaching halt.

While condemned by the coach and other Turkish officials as rude and offensive, apparently the "boos and shouts of God is great" were a common anti-terror chant aimed at expressing national solidarity in the face of attack. They were also heard during moments of silence when Turkey was the victim of terror attacks.

I've been in Turkey a couple of times and at least the western part is very liberal and secular. Everyone was super friendly too.

Hell, you could drink in public - as in walk around from bar to bar with a drink in your hand without the cops hassling you as long as you weren't violent or destructive. Try that in The Land of the Free...

CDFingers wrote:I would guess an interesting experiment could be executed: a large number of rats in a finite space, then raise the temperature--say, 1 degree Celsius: they'd go at each other, is my guess.

CDFingers

it's been done.
no need to adjust the thermostat, just let them breed until they get crowded.

Turkey is an anti semitic shithole, the ruling party and the population in general have copies of the protocols of the learned elders of zion along side the koran in their houses. They are on the verge of another genocide against the Kurds.

In a lot of ways I love Turkey - the history, culture, the climate, and most of its people. In others I don't - the government and their treatment of certain ethnic groups like the Kurds.

I've been there 11 times. When I was there for the Northern Iraq no-fly zone we'd protect the Kurds in Northern Iraq from Saddam Hussein with the Turk's blessing because it prevented them from fleeing into Turkey, but then the Turks wouldn't let us fly a day or two and go bomb them.