I had to drive a friend to the airport and missed it. I'm trying to catch up by watching clips and snippets, anyone care to share their own thoughts?

I missed it too. I'll need to get a synopsis of the highlights from Foxnews

A Saturday night, in Iowa, matched up against an Iowa football game and a UFC fight. Debbie Schulz is a shithead for the scheduling amongst other things.

I saw several minutes of it in different chunks. I think O'Malley is angling for VP. What I saw of Bernie was impressive.

CDFingers

eelj wrote:http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/ ... e-schedule

Yup, the DNC is definitely in the bag for Clinton. DWS is a cunt.

whitey wrote: Yup, the DNC is definitely in the bag for Clinton. DWS is a cunt.

Can we pump the brakes on the misogyny a little? Thanks.

Yeah Whitey you should have called her a prick instead.

Or gone non-gender specific and called her an asshole.

dougb wrote:Or gone non-gender specific and called her an asshole.

This please.

Not a fan of DWS at all. Or Hillary- I'd agree that O'Malley is angling for the VP job, he actually came across pretty well in the debate, but if he was an actual threat he'd have gotten torn apart for his actual record- He's pro social security privatization, anti marijuana legalization, pro rigged trade, and heavily anti gun. He got a couple of good digs in on Hillary's record on the Iraq vote and on Healthcare, saying she has changed positions three times on one issue and just panders to the polls.

http://ballotpedia.org/Martin_O'Malley

That said, he did come across better last night than he had previously. More polished for sure.

Bernie did well on his core issues, he stumbled a bit on the foreign policy stuff, but regained his footing with tying what's currently going on to the Iraq war, which Hillary voted for. He also did not admit to making a mistake with his prior gun voting record, just said he'd be willing to revisit parts of it. Some on the left will pounce on it, but I thought it was pretty reasoned.

Hillary came across again as the candidate that will say whatever her focus groups tell her to. Polished as usual, but my cynical take on her is still that she comes across as wholly insincere. Not sure what the impact will be to the race, the fact that it was on a Saturday night just pisses me off, as it's obviously intended to minimize viewers which will minimize any successes of anyone running against Hillary.

And yeah Whitey, please dial back the misogyny. Plenty of terms to use outside of that one.

Good article in Salon about what we can expect and how both parties are trying to steer the nomination. The Dems are doing everything possible to get Hillary the nomination. The GOP is trying to keep the crazies out but is failing so far.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/15/we_migh ... nut_fever/

Maybe I'm reading to much into it but I have read a few articles where Bernie is patting him self on the back claiming to have made hilclin lean more to the left. I don't like that because she will never really change when she is in office. I think the dnc promised her the 2016 nomination back in 2008.

Did you hear the part where HRC said it was ok to take millions in wall street money "because 9-11"?

Wow. I don't see myself voting for her...ever.

eelj wrote:Maybe I'm reading to much into it but I have read a few articles where Bernie is patting him self on the back claiming to have made hilclin lean more to the left. I don't like that because she will never really change when she is in office. I think the dnc promised her the 2016 nomination back in 2008.

She pretty much has the nomination in the bag because she has the superdelegates.
Still, I'm voting for Bernie in the primary.
Personally I think Bernie would wallop the Republican contender in the general election. I'm not so sure about Clinton.

The problem with Clinton is she doesn't inspire anyone.

she still a bitch though

KnightsFan wrote:The problem with Clinton is she doesn't inspire anyone.

Oh, she inspires plenty. Mostly paroxysms of hate from right-wing assholes. Pretty much the only thing I like about her at this point! She might increase turnout among some righties if the Rs nominate someone they consider a RINO, but as an avowed Socialist, Saunders would probably be no slouch himself.

In 2008, she seemed to inspire Democratic middle-aged, middle-class white women. At least, at our caucus most of that demographic was pretty resentful of those of us standing in the Obama corner. Of course, that's a group the Ds already do pretty well with (outside the ranks of Teabaggers and other dyed-in-the-wool Rs), so that's not a huge advantage, but I'd guess she'd pick up some extra women from the Independent-leans-Republican column vs. a D male candidate.

Whether that will overcome revulsion among real liberals of her fellating Wall Street and voting for the Iraq War, I don't know. It would tend to reduce turnout when your motivation is pretty much just "lie back and think of the Supreme Court" while being screwed on every other issue by the DNC.

I suspect the deciding factors will be whether the Rs nominate someone who's not a COMPLETE Gorgon, or at least appears not to be one (Rubio?), and whether they can avoid another shit-storm of "legitimate rape" Talibangelical craziness that scares people into voting against the R, not for the D. Since the Teabaggers will do their best to shoot their party in the foot on both of those counts, $hillary is probably hoping the far-right has a bang-up year in the primaries. That would be the best antidote to her weaknesses of both policy and personality.

older white women are the most reliable voting demographic for dems btw

KnightsFan wrote:The problem with Clinton is she doesn't inspire anyone.

If there's a bigger liar than Mitt Romney, it's Hillary Clinton.

This part where Bernie chewed on Wall Street and discussed guns, did not appear in the list at CBS for watching later. Had to find it on youtube:

[youtu_be]http://youtu.be/Fy7Eshm0kxA[/youtu_be]

Big banks, Wall Street, and fearful non gun owners are in the tank for Hil.

Get out the vote! Bernie.

CDFingers

senorgrand wrote:older white women are the most reliable voting demographic for dems btw

Which is why Hillary "inspiring" them is not much of an advantage. That group is already going to turn out in fairly high numbers and vote for the D, regardless.

Last poll I saw, Bernie did better against various Rs that $hillary, presumably because he does better with people who aren't already completely in the tank for the mainstream Ds, or people don't hate him as much as her.

I've read some stuff about how she does in surveys. Even amongst those who plan to vote for her she is considered the least trustworthy candidate.

Buck13 wrote:. That group is already going to turn out in fairly high numbers and vote for the D, regardless.

While not in that demographic, I will also be voting to put the D in the P(residency). Not that that's the only way to satisfy a P or a D, but it is what I prefer.