You all are going to hate this, but New Wayne has a point.

Link:
[youtu_be]http://youtu.be/YA4_a4_ckMM[/youtu_be]

Seems like a lot of racial fear in there. Also, I'm not sure that "locking up more criminals" is anymore a viable solution for reducing crime than adding more bilge pumps makes a leaky ship more sea worthy. You gotta fix the leak at some point.

Root cause mitigation.

senorgrand wrote:Seems like a lot of racial fear in there. Also, I'm not sure that "locking up more criminals" is anymore a viable solution for reducing crime than adding more bilge pumps makes a leaky ship more sea worthy. You gotta fix the leak at some point.

Root cause mitigation.

Haven't we heard this before for St. Ronnie ad every other Republican. Didn't seem to work, didn't help anybody but the corporations running private prisons. Many non violent criminals go to prison and come out, not Gay as Ben Carson would have you believe, but harden violent criminals.

As senorgrand said treat the root causes, poverty, lack of a sound education, lack of jobs, poor nutrition, poor healthcare especially mental healthcare, lack of housing, broken families, and a feeling of hopelessness and of being abused.

I see root cause mitigation as the real solution that will never be implemented, but the point of the video appears to be existing federal firearms laws are conveniently ignored in many cases, with any negative results being used as excuses to push for more gun laws. This is neither new nor untrue, and yes the media is silent on it since it does not fit the narrative.

I am sure Old Wayne will be restored in short order.

senorgrand wrote:Seems like a lot of racial fear in there.

If you say so. HuffPo also seized upon the race angle, employing their pet Mike "The Gun Guy" Weisser to erroneously explain that LaPierre, in his racism, had confused the perpetrator of a murder who happened to be black with the victim of another crime who also happened to be black. Unfortunately for Weisser, it was he who confused the two.

Sure, LaPierre might meet one's standard of racism based on other statements, but if one cites LaPierre confusing two black guys as proof of his racism, confusing them oneself in the process proves one is a racist per one's own criterion. It only makes it worse that LaPierre did not, as it turns out, mix up the two men at all.

Link to Weisser column, now corrected:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mike-weis ... 55058.html

CORRECTION: A previous version of this post incorrectly alleged that the NRA's video mis-identified De'Eris Brown as Jamal Streeter. It has been updated to correct the error.

Link to Weisser crying on his keyboard about Colion Noir calling Weisser on his racism:
http://mikethegunguy.com/2015/11/04/my- ... -you-free/

LaPierre is like Putin. He will always be at the helm. there might be elections to give the appearance of change, but he has made sure he will always be in control . Which wasnt his predecessor booted for doing just that ?

Wayne LaDouche lives in a binary world where there are good people and bad people and that world would be safe if you just lock up all the bad people. A corollary to that worldview is that most of the bad people are black or brown.

One political party wholeheartedly believes this and to a certain extent the general population has bought into it.

The problem is that we have more people in jail than any other civilized country and we still have crime, so no Wayne's remarks are simply not valid and we are going to bankrupt ourselves as we divert more and more of our tax dollars to pay for prisons rather than schools and social programs. The evidence is the more you spend on schools the less you spend on prisons.

God knows that I don't agree with everything in Wayne's World, but I can't say that the overall message of this statement is one of them. He has some very valid points, especially in light of the recent revelation of the person who bought some 50 plus guns with various fake identifications and re-sold them, and received only probation. There was also a situation here in lovely deep blue CT., where a person stole 111 guns, sold them on the streets of Bridgeport, CT, and received 17 years in Club Fed for his role in the crime.

Several of the guns were subsequently used in crimes, including murder. Sure, he got 17 years, and three years of supervised probation after his release. But this is a 30 year old man who had multiple felony convictions previously. He never should have been employed as a truck driver for S&W.

I reluctantly became a member of the NRA, and it was only after finding out that they are providing a great deal of support for the litigation Shew v Malloy here in CT. I don't like all the doom and gloom mail I get. But, I toss it in the fire pit bin and know that I have done something more for the fight.

I have a lot more to say on the CT situation, but I'll leave that for another post. I just had to say that I agree with the overall message that Wayne is trying to put out there. There are thousands of cops out there who are working undercover who know who is trafficking the guns - there are thousands of cops out there who are making arrests every day of felons in possession of firearms. We have the power at our disposal right now - with existing laws - to scoop up tens of thousands of criminals in possession of firearms and yeah - maybe we need to impose an executive order by Obama to do it - scoop the criminals and the guns - and make the cost of the business of illegal firearms too expensive. Twenty five years ago we stopped the Latin Kings and Los Solidos by federal authorities to quell the gang violence. We need that kind of round up again.

Pet Smart has fewer dog whistles than that video....

christianne wrote:But this is a 30 year old man who had multiple felony convictions previously. He never should have been employed as a truck driver for S&W.

But we are now not allowing employers to ask about past convictions.. So S&W is just ahead of the curve by hiring convicted felons.

this video starts with lies. Obama's home town is Honolulu Hawaii. He was born there and raised there, with the exception of living around 3 years in Indonesia. He only moved to Chicago after he graduated from Harvard.

Saying Chicago is his home town is false.
Hell, I've lived in St. Louis for almost 2 decades, but I was born and raised in a small town in southern Illnois. I would never say my Home town was St. Louis.

This video starts off trying to capitalize on racial fear on racial fear, then blaming the government.
Wayne can preach 'Law and Order' all he likes....but it's a tired song.

Who's going to pay to build all those prisons? Amidst cries of 'don't use my tax dollars to do it'. Well, we could privatize it...how's that working out?
Yes ...we do have laws already on the books...so why aren't they enforced or do they get bargained away?

I'm with him on political dishonesty and media bias, but there's too much pandering to a demographic I don't want to necessarily "stand with". Definitely lots of cultural and racial dog whistles in there - no reason to buy that shit from the right or the left. It's worth looking a more nuanced solution than throwing all "criminal gangbangers" in prison (AKA "criminal gangbanger" bootcamp). How about some evidence-based "gun crime" prevention? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ceasefire

dandad wrote:

christianne wrote:But this is a 30 year old man who had multiple felony convictions previously. He never should have been employed as a truck driver for S&W.

But we are now not allowing employers to ask about past convictions.. So S&W is just ahead of the curve by hiring convicted felons.

Not true. This only applies to government jobs. Private employers can ask about convictions and can and do run background checks. The reason for not asking about convictions is that although approximately the same percentage of black and white youth smoke marijuana, black youth are four time (yes, four times) more likely to be arrested and jailed for possession. It's called systemic racism and it serves to keep black people as a permanent underclass.

bigstones wrote:

dandad wrote:

christianne wrote:But this is a 30 year old man who had multiple felony convictions previously. He never should have been employed as a truck driver for S&W.

But we are now not allowing employers to ask about past convictions.. So S&W is just ahead of the curve by hiring convicted felons.

Not true. This only applies to government jobs. Private employers can ask about convictions and can and do run background checks. The reason for not asking about convictions is that although approximately the same percentage of black and white youth smoke marijuana, black youth are four time (yes, four times) more likely to be arrested and jailed for possession. It's called systemic racism and it serves to keep black people as a permanent underclass.

Your right, it is for Fed jobs only,and it is a good thing. However, I dont think that blacks are the only ones anymore , or for a long time now, being kept in the permanent under class. Our Caste system in the US is created to make sure the majority of the people can only rise so high. Yes, many are allowed into the 1%, many more or not. But the 1% isnt even the real top of our caste system anymore. Its more like the upper .01% The rest of us are the permanent under class.

senorgrand wrote:Pet Smart has fewer dog whistles than that video....

Yep.