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It occurs to me to ask, do we actually know that the cops in Texas will bust someone carrying a dildo around? Or is this maybe an exaggeration of the "it's illegal to own more than six sex toys in Texas" thing?
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TheHunterOfSkulls wrote:It occurs to me to ask, do we actually know that the cops in Texas will bust someone carrying a dildo around? Or is this maybe an exaggeration of the "it's illegal to own more than six sex toys in Texas" thing?
Don't know. I wouldn't put it past the religious right from pushing for action. It's not been something I've had a need to look up. But, I wont support restricting anyones expression of thought.
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TheHunterOfSkulls wrote:It occurs to me to ask, do we actually know that the cops in Texas will bust someone carrying a dildo around? Or is this maybe an exaggeration of the "it's illegal to own more than six sex toys in Texas" thing?
That's unknown, but some are more likely to shoot you thinking they are in fear of their life from a loaded dildo or maybe inferior from a loaded dildo. :sarcasm:
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I'll be the guy to ask the obvious questions.

I went to school here in sunny South Florida at the University of Miami. Yeah, Suntan U.

Anyways, as a private institution, they can ignore state laws and make the campus a GFZ regardless of your carry status, and way back in the mists of antiquity, it was definitely a no-carry zone on campus.

It was also a drug-free and alcohol-free (for those under 21) zone. If you were on campus, you couldn't possess any illicit recreational drugs and you couldn't have booze. Also, despite paying rent, your living facilities (if you lived in university housing) were subject to search at any time.

Despite university policies and the laws of the state of Florida, the campus was awash in underage drinking and illegal narcotics. Booze was always a few feet away, and it was a simple matter to acquire any narcotic your heart desired, without leaving campus. Despite laws and histrionics from UM talking heads, the kids did what they were wont to do.

And yeah, there were guns. Some were obviously possessed by people who might have been moving illicit substances, but some were possessed by people who were legally allowed by Florida to own a firearm and just chose to take the risk of possessing one on campus, rather than the risk of vehicle/storage-locker-off-campus-storage. Despite the fact that the rulebook stated that guns were definitely a no-go on campus.

The university, despite reserving the right to pretty much kick down your door and do whatever, didn't have the manpower to do proactive searches of all residencies on campus.

What I'm basically getting at is, how would any university system, public or private, plan on enforcing a GFZ? Gamma-ray scanners at all vehicle entrances? Pat-downs before entering buildings? There's a thought for you right there. Some lecherous literature professor who probably needs hydraulics to get it up, patting down a 19-year-old coed a little too thoroughly...no, it's not a Bang Bros plot, it's UT in ten years. It'll all be fun and games until the first lawsuits from helicopter parents land in the legal department's inbox...

There's a plan. The anti-2A crowd paints us as bloodthirsty loons. We can use hyperbole right back and claim enforcing a GFZ on campus will require physical searches of all students...

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It's my understanding private institutions can do what they want. As for the state linked it remains to be seen what gets designated as a gun free zone. It's going to be interesting. In the case of Texas campus carry it will be concealed. So if a student, teacher or visitor carries in a legal area it would not be known. I suppose restricted areas could be checked.
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sikacz wrote:It's my understanding private institutions can do what they want. As for the state linked it remains to be seen what gets designated as a gun free zone. It's going to be interesting. In the case of Texas campus carry it will be concealed. So if a student, teacher or visitor carries in a legal area it would not be known. I suppose restricted areas could be checked.
So each restricted area would have to either have pat-downs by security, or the schools would have to invest in metal detectors and so on. Or they'll take the cheap way out and just put up a sign...

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pod wrote:
sikacz wrote:It's my understanding private institutions can do what they want. As for the state linked it remains to be seen what gets designated as a gun free zone. It's going to be interesting. In the case of Texas campus carry it will be concealed. So if a student, teacher or visitor carries in a legal area it would not be known. I suppose restricted areas could be checked.
So each restricted area would have to either have pat-downs by security, or the schools would have to invest in metal detectors and so on. Or they'll take the cheap way out and just put up a sign...
The sign is the only legal requirement to my understanding.
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Just an interesting tidbit. The day the campus carry goes into effect is the 50th anniversary of the first mass shooting on a college campus in the US. It was August 1,1966 when Charles Whitman climbed the stairs at the University of Texas Tower in Austin shooting and wounding 32 people and killing 14 after killing his wife and mother.
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:blink: It is a pic of a woman holding a sign saying:
Dear Greg Abbot,
Please don't force guns
into my university.
I do not feel safe.
#BackpacksNotBullets
:rolleyes:

Why does she think Abbot is forcing guns onto campuses, and why does the CSGV support her false statement?

Link:
https://www.facebook.com/CoalitiontoSto ... =3&theater
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ArmedAndLiberal wrote::blink: It is a pic of a woman holding a sign saying:
Dear Greg Abbot,
Please don't force guns
into my university.
I do not feel safe.
#BackpacksNotBullets
:rolleyes:

Why does she think Abbot is forcing guns onto campuses, and why does the CSGV support her false statement?

Link:
https://www.facebook.com/CoalitiontoSto ... =3&theater
Beats me. Considering the requirements for concealed carry in Texas, it is beyond me. I won't bother re-stating it all.
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In their manifesto, University of Texas professors frame campus carry as a return to colonialism.
"THE LAW, CLASSROOM CARRY, SETTLER COLONIALISM, AND THE MEANINGS OF TRUST AND COMMUNITY Jorge Canizares-Esguerra and Patrick Timmons "
http://www.scribd.com/doc/289364219/The ... -Manifesto
Those battling against classroom carry have largely misidentified the very nature of this struggle. This has to be a large, raucous, political, cultural, and legal movement to ascertain and defend very different meanings of community than those championed by licensed carriers. As professors, we don’t see classroom carry to be about our own personal security. We will most likely never be shot in our offices or classrooms, even if we were to piss off some white male students with sacrilegious ideas about race, empire, evolution, or god. This is a struggle over the meaning of education, the classroom, and open society. This is a struggle over the meaning of trust and community.

The great debate (at least ours) has been centered on proving that guns do not make us safer from mass shooters on campus. That guns do nothing to lower crime rates. That guns instead increase the number of accidents, suicides, sexual assaults, and deaths. That licensed carriers are not the benign actors that the statistics on crime seem misleadingly to suggest. Ever since the massacre of Virginia Tech this country has been committed to the idea that to fight mass shooters (themselves the product of the pathologies of gun culture), we need more guns in dorms, in classrooms, in university offices. It has become a sweeping wave that is now crushingly moving into K12. To fight crime in schools, to discipline the diseases of race and poverty, we need to deputize teachers as armed marshals.

We are witnessing the great ideological return of settler colonialism. Well, it never went away. The vigilante, the deputized marshal, the good guy lying in wait to shoot the bad one is at the very core of how this country got to be made from coast to coast, from the sixteenth-century to the closing of the American frontier. And beyond. We have been told that what made America exceptional is dying, that kids are no longer able to secure better lives than those their parents enjoyed. No. What has made America really peculiar throughout has been the fiction of the triumph of the self over community. How to secure myself from physical threats? Get a gun and fictionally shoot your way into the safety of your own den. How to protect myself from the frying pathologies of power, poverty, and racism? Deputize yourself to discipline those who stubbornly resist. America has all along been about the sheer display of white male power (with guns): over Indians, over slaves, over females, over Mexicans, over Asians, over African Americans, and over Arabs, now The return of the vigilante movement is a giant, collective white push back against the Civil Rights Movement and against the unintended consequences of globalization, migration, and demography.
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Texas Christian Unviersity as a private university has said no carry on campus. Texas Wesleyan University is expected to follow suit. Some in San Antonio have already done so, including Trinity University, St. Mary's University and the University of the Incarnate Word, the largest private university in Texas.
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KnightsFan wrote:
“It’s hard to imagine what I will do if a student walks into my class with a concealed weapon,” Junker said in an email. “Maybe I wouldn’t be able to tell. Maybe that is the worst part: never knowing if a student has a gun but having to assume that someone does.”
This just reinforces the notion that most people are really delusional about danger. We'd rather stick our heads in the sand than consider we are always in danger of somebody attacking us. Disgusting.

Do these people really think a gun free zone matters? It's not like it repels all firearms like Magneto. It just adds an extra charge prosecutors can throw at a criminal.
Someone who's going to commit a crime isn't going to care about licensing or whether it's a gun free zone or not. Actually, being a gun free zone just reduces the risk of armed resistance...
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"UT-Austin Nobel Prize Laureate Rails Against Guns On Campus"
http://patch.com/texas/downtownaustin/u ... uns-campus
DOWNTOWN AUSTIN-UT, TX -- Nobel Prize laureate Steven Weinberg--arguably the most famous person at the University of Texas at Austin campus--leaves no room for doubt as to where he stands on the “campus carry” law that will soon allow gun owners to walk around freely with holstered firearms.

He’s very much against the measure.

“I will put it into my syllabus that the class is not open to students carrying guns,” he said during a recent meeting of UT’s Faculty Council covered by the Austin American-Statesman newspaper. “I may wind up in court; I’m willing to accept that responsibility.”
Interesting how passionate gun restrictionists appear to be about something that doesn't really matter. One might think, given the irrationality of their position on campus carry, they simply have a beef with the idea people can carry guns at all.

NYT Texas campus carry fearmongering opinion
Modern Language Association Protests Campus Carry in Texas
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DispositionMatrix wrote:"UT-Austin Nobel Prize Laureate Rails Against Guns On Campus"
http://patch.com/texas/downtownaustin/u ... uns-campus
DOWNTOWN AUSTIN-UT, TX -- Nobel Prize laureate Steven Weinberg--arguably the most famous person at the University of Texas at Austin campus--leaves no room for doubt as to where he stands on the “campus carry” law that will soon allow gun owners to walk around freely with holstered firearms.

He’s very much against the measure.

“I will put it into my syllabus that the class is not open to students carrying guns,” he said during a recent meeting of UT’s Faculty Council covered by the Austin American-Statesman newspaper. “I may wind up in court; I’m willing to accept that responsibility.”
Interesting how passionate gun restrictionists appear to be about something that doesn't really matter. One might think, given the irrationality of their position on campus carry, they simply have a beef with the idea people can carry guns at all.

NYT Texas campus carry fearmongering opinion
Modern Language Association Protests Campus Carry in Texas
This past Tuesday, the Texas Senate Committee on State Affairs held an interim hearing on the implementation of the state's new open carry and campus carry laws. The full three-hour hearing can be watched here: http://tlcsenate.granicus.com/MediaPlay ... p_id=10840

To get an idea of the mindset of the professors opposed to campus carry, skip to the 2:35:00 mark.

The testimony from Students for Concealed Carry can be read here: http://concealedcampus.org/2016/01/test ... e-affairs/

Speaking of professors opposed to guns in classrooms, here is an interesting story out of Georgia: http://www.walb.com/story/31094713/poli ... -classroom

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sikacz wrote:
fknauss wrote:
It would go like a lead balloon if that was really consistently applied.
Really? You've never bought car insurance?
I'm 55 I've bought my share of insurance. I take it your skeptical that there would be resistance if the legal age for adulthood in all facets of life was raised to 25. On another thread it was mentioned that if the second amendment is lost it's because of corporations. I believe that is correct.
Want to pay my monthly car insurance bill for me? Thanks to the service teen (who has yet to have an accident), I get to pay out the nose for car insurance for the next several years.

Also, said service teen can forget about renting a car until he turns 25.
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