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Wino wrote:I believe this is what was sent to Guv for signing.

http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/tlodocs/ ... navpanes=0
That's the final version.

Here's the analysis for those not enthralled by legalese:
http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/84 ... 00011H.htm

The wording assumes there isn't legal open carry in Texas, unless I'm reading that all wrong.
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TrueTexan wrote:Texas campus carry bill passed the legislature and is on its way to the governor.
AUSTIN, TX --
The Texas Legislature has approved allowing license holders to carry concealed handguns on public college campuses - but included a caveat that lets college presidents designate "gun-free zones."

The House voted 98-47 on Sunday to approve the measure, sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott to be signed into law.

The so-called "campus carry" bill was a priority for gun rights activists, even though top universities statewide opposed it.

Both chambers previously passed their own versions of the bill, and a weekend agreement between House and Senate negotiators set up final approval.

Opponents won the concession of gun-free zones, though college presidents won't be able to ban handguns on entire campuses.

In order to obtain a concealed-carry license, though, Texans must be 21 - meaning many college students won't qualify.
http://abc13.com/news/texas-legislature ... es/758738/
this bill just never made sense to me. While many proponents claim that a high proportion of college students are over 21, I simply don't see that population as being a significant percentage.

Most, as in well above 70% of the students are under 21.

So my question is who would benefit from this law?
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Sturner many will. All students above age 21 years. I was 19 as an freshman and 26 the year I finished my graduate studies. These are the same 21 year olds who can already legally carry with a concealed handgun license in Texas. Why is it unacceptable for a 21 year old who attends college to legally carry and acceptable for a 21 year old not in college? As far as I know this bill covers other people also who have legal business on campus including the faculty.
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I've worked part time and full time on college campuses for the better part of 20yrs... I'm old enough and licensed, yet here in Fl, no matter how far from home I am, I'm expected to not have a firearm with me, even in my car. So if I'm working elsewhere first, no matter what, in supposed to get all the way home to deposit my pistol, before venturing into campus. It's beyond inconvenient, and even downright insulting that I'm trusted with a gun everywhere but here. As though suddenly I'm a less responsible human being because of crossing an arbitrary street.

Most of the pushback I've heard against campus carry revolves around the fear that suddenly 18yo's will be wandering around drunk in their dorms and itching for a gunfight... As if it were legal for them to even get the license in the first place, let alone to buy a handgun legally at that age.
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To be truthful, the campus carry, like the open carry seem to be rather moot.

Most of the population will not carry.Of those who would be eligible, only a small percentage will be interested.

For open carry, 99.9% of the non-carry population won't even know that they can open carry a pistol. A great many are not aware that they can open carry a long gun in Texas.

Of course, Kory Watkins will want to open carry. Probably in the most obnoxious and offensive manner possible, thusly bring unwanted negative attention to gun enthusiasts.
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Doubt Kory will be carrying a sidearm unless he wants to go to jail. He can't qualify for a Texas CHL last I heard. Doesn't mean he can't act like an ass with a long arm as done previously.

Considering licensed handgun owners only make up .03% of the entire population of Texas, I don't expect to see much OC happening - more probable in rural than urban areas - albeit I expect there will be a few show boaters in large cities strutting their stuff cause they can. I expect college carry will be even less since many, if not most, students won't qualify for license due to age (21 YO required).

I've been OWB concealed under untucked shirt for about a year and don't expect that to change - started when Texas relaxed their "accidental" exposure to no big whoopee.

Not gonna happen, but I would LMAO if Guv veto'd either bill. I'm thinking he will sign the OC bill and let college carry pass into law unsigned.
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sikacz wrote:I read somewhere that Kory may have problems passing the background check .....http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/op ... 43031.html
Seems he like to break into cars and steal cd and speakers. Was convicted of a class A misdemeanor. J

http://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/op ... 43031.html

Also some of the other OC ringleaders have the same issues with getting a CHL. One had his Texas CHL pulled and still carries concealed using an out of state license.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/news/po ... 080098.php
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Good.

Guaranteed the next gun-related incident on or near a campus that does _not_ involve a concealed carrier will be blamed on this law either directly or indirectly.
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A lament of TX campus carry being signed into law by Abbot. David Smith-Soto desperately tries to link concealed carry on campuses with the attack on Dallas police by James Lance Boulware.
http://borderzine.com/2015/06/no-guns-i ... ugerville/
There was plenty of shooting that day in the streets of Dallas where Boulware was shot dead by a police sniper and also later at Red’s Indoor Range in Pflugerville, Texas, where Abbott, relishing the added liberty he said he was bestowing upon the citizens of Texas, did some target shooting of his own after signing the bills.
He also throws the Charleston shooting into the mix.
How the killer acquired the gun is not clear yet. He apparently received it as a present on his 21st birthday. But the legality of the acquisition of this firearm is almost beside the point in a nation of 300-million guns.

Firearms in America can pass on from person to person like an Ebola virus in Africa and like the Ebola virus the ultimate consequence, death, follows closely behind.
1. We would all already be dead.
2. What does that have to do with campus carry?
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http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... classroom/
University of Texas professors are revolting. In response to the passage of campus carry legislation SB 11 prohibiting state-funded institutions of higher learning from banning legal concealed carry as of August 16, 2016, UT teaching staff are adding their names to a Google document entitled 160+ UT PROFESSORS REFUSE GUNS IN THEIR CLASSROOMS. Refuse how, you ask? Now there’s a question. One which UT history prof and co-creator of the doc Dr. Joan Neuberger doesn’t answer. To be fair . . .

the student journos at dailytexansonline.com didn’t ask Dr. Neuberger if she and/or her anti-gun colleagues had any plans for civil disobedience in the face of Americans’ lawfully exercising their civil rights. But the paper kinda sorta addressed the “what next?” issue with a UT PR lecturer (of all things).
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DispositionMatrix wrote:http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2015/0 ... classroom/
University of Texas professors are revolting. In response to the passage of campus carry legislation SB 11 prohibiting state-funded institutions of higher learning from banning legal concealed carry as of August 16, 2016, UT teaching staff are adding their names to a Google document entitled 160+ UT PROFESSORS REFUSE GUNS IN THEIR CLASSROOMS. Refuse how, you ask? Now there’s a question. One which UT history prof and co-creator of the doc Dr. Joan Neuberger doesn’t answer. To be fair . . .

the student journos at dailytexansonline.com didn’t ask Dr. Neuberger if she and/or her anti-gun colleagues had any plans for civil disobedience in the face of Americans’ lawfully exercising their civil rights. But the paper kinda sorta addressed the “what next?” issue with a UT PR lecturer (of all things).
With concealed carry how would they know. Good luck. I'd concentrate on education.
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I heard on the news UT was looking to make all dorms and other UT owned student housing, the library, science and health centers out of bounds for guns. The tower is already a gun free zone.

My wife's community college is checking with lawyers about the fact they have a high school on each campus in partnership with the local school districts. The students are taking college courses right with the regular college students. University of North Texas has had their Math Science Academy for years doing the same thing. Same issue high school on college campus. The UNT Fort Worth campus will probably be strict no guns as it is a health science centers with med school and out patient clinics.

It will get interesting.
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“It’s hard to imagine what I will do if a student walks into my class with a concealed weapon,” Junker said in an email. “Maybe I wouldn’t be able to tell. Maybe that is the worst part: never knowing if a student has a gun but having to assume that someone does.”
This just reinforces the notion that most people are really delusional about danger. We'd rather stick our heads in the sand than consider we are always in danger of somebody attacking us. Disgusting.

Do these people really think a gun free zone matters? It's not like it repels all firearms like Magneto. It just adds an extra charge prosecutors can throw at a criminal.
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The University of Texas administration and students have come out against the Campus Carry. The students have decided to have a protest when Campus Carry goes into effect.
Texas Governor Greg Abbott recently passed the “campus carry” law, which will allow gun license owners to carry concealed firearms throughout public university campuses. The law will go into effect starting August 2016, and many believe it will make universities less safe. Students at the University of Texas at Austin are protesting this law in a peaceful yet subversive way- by openly carrying sex toys to class.

"You're carrying a gun to class? Yeah well I'm carrying a HUGE DILDO.

Just about as effective at protecting us from sociopathic shooters, but much safer for recreational play.

The State of Texas has decided that it is not at all obnoxious to allow deadly concealed weapons in classrooms, however it DOES have strict rules about free sexual expression, to protect your innocence. You would receive a citation for taking a DILDO to class before you would get in trouble for taking a gun to class. Heaven forbid the penis,” writes the Campus (DILDO) Carry Page, which was set up by Jessica Jin.

Over 4,000 students have RSVP’d to the “strap-in” event, which will take place next summer when the “campus carry” law goes into effect. Protesters will challenge gun laws by "strapping gigantic swinging dildos to our backpacks." Though participants are encouraged to bring their own large dildos, the group has stated they will make an effort to provide extra dildos for the occasion.
http://www.alternet.org/culture/student ... ant-dildos

This could start a new protest movement instead of the Occupy Movement, the Dildos movement. Republican Legislators will be trying to pass laws against the open carry and concealed carry of dildos and the TSA will be frisking even more. There will be a movement to ban the dildo. Moms Against Dildos.

Reminds me of the song Alice's Restaurant and the protest.
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Fight Club comes to mind:

Narrator: Was it ticking?
Airport Security Officer: Actually throwers don't worry about ticking 'cause modern bombs don't tick.
Narrator: Sorry, throwers?
Airport Security Officer: Baggage handlers. But, when a suitcase vibrates, then the throwers gotta call the police.
Narrator: My suitcase was vibrating?
Airport Security Officer: Nine times out of ten it's an electric razor, but every once in a while...
[whispering]
Airport Security Officer: it's a dildo. Of course it's company policy never to, imply ownership in the event of a dildo... always use the indefinite article a dildo, never your dildo.
Narrator: I don't own...
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