sturner wrote:Nice law. Students are still not allowed to carry, but I could, or a teacher could. A teacher is not all that likely to carry.

sturner wrote:Over 1/2 of the students will not be able to carry for most of their college career. Most college students are under 21.

Like Shakespeare said, "...full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

It is a hollow accomplishment, but for the 2A enthusiasts, it appears to be a great victory.

sturner wrote:I simply find the insistence that it's needed to be "curious" to put it mildly. I think most people have an exaggerated expectation of the safety that carrying is supposed to give. If anything, it's more likely to be a false sense of security. I simply do not have the faith in the expertise of most people who might carry. Certainly I have a jaundiced view, but that is my view.

KnightsFan wrote:

sturner wrote:I simply find the insistence that it's needed to be "curious" to put it mildly. I think most people have an exaggerated expectation of the safety that carrying is supposed to give. If anything, it's more likely to be a false sense of security. I simply do not have the faith in the expertise of most people who might carry. Certainly I have a jaundiced view, but that is my view.

Sometimes that false sense of security is all it takes to ward off a would-be assailant. And the bigger argument is that by allowing students to carry means assailants will hear they're carrying and then be afraid to mug anyone else.

sturner wrote:I simply find the insistence that it's needed to be "curious" to put it mildly. I think most people have an exaggerated expectation of the safety that carrying is supposed to give. If anything, it's more likely to be a false sense of security. I simply do not have the faith in the expertise of most people who might carry. Certainly I have a jaundiced view, but that is my view.

Texas college professors may soon face a dilemma between upholding professional ethics and protecting their lives.

With this proposed law, a question coming up for many academics is whether they would be forced to give A grades to undeserving students, just so they can avoid being shot.

Learning from this experience, I now give papers back only at the end of the class or just “forget” to bring them with me. I was lucky that the student didn’t have a gun in my classroom. Other professors have not been so lucky.

DispositionMatrix wrote:Latest excuse for opposing campus carry.
http://www.newsweek.com/will-guns-campu ... ion-327047

Texas college professors may soon face a dilemma between upholding professional ethics and protecting their lives.

With this proposed law, a question coming up for many academics is whether they would be forced to give A grades to undeserving students, just so they can avoid being shot.

Learning from this experience, I now give papers back only at the end of the class or just “forget” to bring them with me. I was lucky that the student didn’t have a gun in my classroom. Other professors have not been so lucky.

Thanks, Professor, but if someone is going to shoot you over a grade, it is going to happen regardless of carry laws.

sturner wrote:I simply find the insistence that it's needed to be "curious" to put it mildly. I think most people have an exaggerated expectation of the safety that carrying is supposed to give. If anything, it's more likely to be a false sense of security. I simply do not have the faith in the expertise of most people who might carry. Certainly I have a jaundiced view, but that is my view.

sikacz wrote:I've read this bill has had movement forward. There was some last minute amendments. I have not been able to find out exactly what was added.

AUSTIN – The “campus carry” drama is over – at least for now.

On Wednesday, the day after Texas House Democrats did everything possible to derail a bill that allow people with concealed handgun licenses to carry their firearms on colleges and universities, the 150-member chamber quietly approved a campus carry measure.

The final vote for Senate Bill 11 – largely along party lines and with no debate– was 144-44, almost the same as Tuesday night’s vote when the bill received preliminary approval with only 21 minutes left before a mid-night deadline to tentatively pass Senate bills in the lower chamber.

But the roller coaster ride for SB 11 is expected to continue because the House made changes the Senate rejected in mid-March, when the measure first came up for a vote.

The main change, an amendment Richmond GOP Rep. John Zerwas filed, would let each college or university decide whether it would welcome concealed weapons on its campus, an amendment the Senate had previously rejected.

Another House amendment would require private colleges and universities to implement the proposed law.

Rep. John Smithee, R-Amarillo, said that since numerous university presidents and chancellors have spoken against campus carry, the Zerwas amendment weakens the legislation significantly.

House and Senate negotiators are sending a version of "campus carry" back to their chambers that gives universities more say over where and how concealed handguns are permitted on campus.

Under the new terms laid out in a conference committee report, public Texas universities would be required to allow license-holders to carry concealed handguns on campus. But individual universities would be able to establish "reasonable" rules and restrictions on where they're carried and how they're stored based on public safety concerns.

Private universities would be allowed to opt out of campus carry all together.

TrueTexan wrote:It's going back for a final vote in both chambers.

House and Senate negotiators are sending a version of "campus carry" back to their chambers that gives universities more say over where and how concealed handguns are permitted on campus.

Under the new terms laid out in a conference committee report, public Texas universities would be required to allow license-holders to carry concealed handguns on campus. But individual universities would be able to establish "reasonable" rules and restrictions on where they're carried and how they're stored based on public safety concerns.

Private universities would be allowed to opt out of campus carry all together.

I foresee if passed will have chaos reigning. Can't carry here but can carry there. No carry in this college but okay in that on.

DispositionMatrix wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:It's going back for a final vote in both chambers.

House and Senate negotiators are sending a version of "campus carry" back to their chambers that gives universities more say over where and how concealed handguns are permitted on campus.

Under the new terms laid out in a conference committee report, public Texas universities would be required to allow license-holders to carry concealed handguns on campus. But individual universities would be able to establish "reasonable" rules and restrictions on where they're carried and how they're stored based on public safety concerns.

Private universities would be allowed to opt out of campus carry all together.

I foresee if passed will have chaos reigning. Can't carry here but can carry there. No carry in this college but okay in that on.

That is better than forbidding it by law altogether. "Chaos"argument sounds like something from the Everytown playbook to promote fear of the bill. Admittedly those against carry will be the winners _because_ TX law allows for creating a patchwork anyway, but that was inevitable.

New Hampshire has no specific law regarding the limitations of concealed firearms on college and university campuses. In 2012, the New Hampshire Legislature proposed to allow guns on campus but the bill died in the Senate. The University System of New Hampshire publically supports the decision to ban concealed guns on campus.
As of August 21, 2013, no public or private university permits concealed guns on campus grounds or in buildings.

TrueTexan wrote:Just looked up the laws concerning concealed carry on college campuses in New Hampshire.

New Hampshire has no specific law regarding the limitations of concealed firearms on college and university campuses. In 2012, the New Hampshire Legislature proposed to allow guns on campus but the bill died in the Senate. The University System of New Hampshire publically supports the decision to ban concealed guns on campus.
As of August 21, 2013, no public or private university permits concealed guns on campus grounds or in buildings.

TrueTexan wrote:As for patchwork on carry it seems the State of Texas is ahead on many states as we don't allow local officials to decide who is suitable to carry or not to carry. It is set by statewide requirements and administered by DPS for getting a CHL.

DispositionMatrix wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:Just looked up the laws concerning concealed carry on college campuses in New Hampshire.

New Hampshire has no specific law regarding the limitations of concealed firearms on college and university campuses. In 2012, the New Hampshire Legislature proposed to allow guns on campus but the bill died in the Senate. The University System of New Hampshire publically supports the decision to ban concealed guns on campus.
As of August 21, 2013, no public or private university permits concealed guns on campus grounds or in buildings.

In NH we have state preemption that of course does not cover rules imposed by institutions and businesses. So while it is not, per state code, illegal to carry in a place that does not "permit" it, it is illegal to trespass, which is what you are doing if you're caught carrying and refuse to leave. State preemption simply keeps towns from being able to impose their own restrictions on carry, though they still try. From a legal perspective, rolling into a town and instantly being in violation of a local carry law would be worse than accidentally entering a Home Depot carrying and being asked to leave for violating a company rule.

TrueTexan wrote:As for patchwork on carry it seems the State of Texas is ahead on many states as we don't allow local officials to decide who is suitable to carry or not to carry. It is set by statewide requirements and administered by DPS for getting a CHL.

I like the idea of not being dependent on local chiefs for licensing since we are having growing problems in my state with chiefs taking advantage of a very bad state supreme court ruling that allows for suitability, even though suitability is not defined by statute, to deny licenses--even renewals--for things like traffic infractions. On the other hand a few well-placed disarmament enthusiasts in TX could wreck carry for everyone in your state by slipping something into a bill no one would read before passing.

AUSTIN, TX --
The Texas Legislature has approved allowing license holders to carry concealed handguns on public college campuses - but included a caveat that lets college presidents designate "gun-free zones."

The House voted 98-47 on Sunday to approve the measure, sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott to be signed into law.

The so-called "campus carry" bill was a priority for gun rights activists, even though top universities statewide opposed it.

Both chambers previously passed their own versions of the bill, and a weekend agreement between House and Senate negotiators set up final approval.

Opponents won the concession of gun-free zones, though college presidents won't be able to ban handguns on entire campuses.

In order to obtain a concealed-carry license, though, Texans must be 21 - meaning many college students won't qualify.