http://www.statesman.com/news/news/camp ... ing/njxY8/

“No one should be forced to surrender their God-given, constitutional right to self-defense just because they set foot on a college campus,” said Sen. Charles Schwertner, R-Georgetown. “This bill is simply about ensuring that licensed, responsible and law-abiding adults have the right to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities.”


I don't imagine this will go very far. And it looks focused only on state schools
SB 11 and House Bill 937 also would give schools immunity from liability for the actions of concealed permit holders on campus, except for private or independent schools that prohibit weapons.

Maybe they will add an OC amendment to allow that along with CHL.

On the CHL told my wife. Her response "Oh, Shit"

Simmer down wrote:http://www.statesman.com/news/news/camp ... ing/njxY8/

“No one should be forced to surrender their God-given, constitutional right to self-defense just because they set foot on a college campus,” said Sen. Charles Schwertner, R-Georgetown. “This bill is simply about ensuring that licensed, responsible and law-abiding adults have the right to protect themselves on the campuses of public colleges and universities.”

"licensed", "responsible", "law-abiding", "adults" - how does he plan to provide enforcement of those 4 mutually exclusive terms on those who carry?

One of my biggest complaints about the right wing opinion are those invalid assumptions that predicate everything they say about firearms. With the rampant emotion, hormones, and stress (not to mention alcohol) on college campuses, some things just don't mix well.

That should make football games more interesting.

The Red River Shootout might live up to it's name.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/01/26/gop- ... ss-senate/
Today's update.

Simmer down wrote:http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2015/01/26/gop- ... ss-senate/
Today's update.

I heard about this on the radio this morning. This would make it legal to conceal carry if you have a license. All age limits would apply as I understand it. I don't consider a 21 year old a child so this is not a case of allowing children to carry in schools. The bill covers public universities and we're talking about adults that meet the states legal requirements to conceal carry. This also included teachers with CHL to carry on campus. Now if they exclude other visitors that have a CHL from carrying on campus then I would think it's an unfair bill. Is there a link to what this bill actually is?

As usual these idiots in the legislature aren't thinking. Allowing the CCW on college campus will not be universal at state colleges and universities. Many of the community colleges now also have high schools for the students taking dual credit. These high schools are part of the local districts and the colleges. Also some of the Universities have their own academies for high school students, such as the one at UNT in Denton.

You won't be able to carry in these colleges because they are also high schools. Total confusion asking for trouble.

TrueTexan wrote:As usual these idiots in the legislature aren't thinking. Allowing the CCW on college campus will not be universal at state colleges and universities. Many of the community colleges now also have high schools for the students taking dual credit. These high schools are part of the local districts and the colleges. Also some of the Universities have their own academies for high school students, such as the one at UNT in Denton.

You won't be able to carry in these colleges because they are also high schools. Total confusion asking for trouble.

It may be complete theater.

Blah-blah-blah

Yada-yada-yada

Re-elect me. I fight hard for your rights!

Simmer down wrote:

TrueTexan wrote:As usual these idiots in the legislature aren't thinking. Allowing the CCW on college campus will not be universal at state colleges and universities. Many of the community colleges now also have high schools for the students taking dual credit. These high schools are part of the local districts and the colleges. Also some of the Universities have their own academies for high school students, such as the one at UNT in Denton.

You won't be able to carry in these colleges because they are also high schools. Total confusion asking for trouble.

It may be complete theater.

Blah-blah-blah

Yada-yada-yada

Re-elect me. I fight hard for your rights!

I hope you correct but with the asylum being run by the inmates especially Dunce Patrick you never can tell.

Seems like the Republicans are starting to break the news to their supports that the gun issues are not going to be a priority after all. With a Republican majority and the main offices Republican for the past 20 years what did these voters think changed.

The Texas CHL Forum .com has their collective undies in a collective bunch about several issues running out of steam. OC is a biggie. They're practically doing incantations to make their dreams come true.

Simmer down wrote:The Texas CHL Forum .com has their collective undies in a collective bunch about several issues running out of steam. OC is a biggie. They're practically doing incantations to make their dreams come true.

Yeah, I just looked at a few threads earlier. They sure do seem to think ol' Dan will come through for them. I'm thinking there's a comprehension issue somewhere.

The University of Texas Chancellor has come out against guns on college campus. He is a retired admiral and has been in special ops. He is very familiar with weapons so the wannabes for Carry on Campus can't complain about those damn know nothing liberals.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics ... -carry.ece

Of all the current carry proposals the campus carry would worry me the least. As long as all the Texas concealed handgun license requirements are met and current restriction on sports events, alcohol serving venues and so on are still required I don't have a problem with persons 21 and older carrying on campus. I would guess the number of individuals carrying on campus wouldn't be much different than in the general public.

As for admirals do they even know how to use anything smaller than a deck cannon?

Same tactics used to oppose concealed carry.

- Has blood run all over the campuses of Utah?
- Does he realize the student population able to carry would be over the age 21?
- When do adults get to be adults? At what point do you stop treating them like they are unable to make their own decisions, even bad ones?

At what point do you stop treating them like they are unable to make their own decisions, even bad ones?

Legally? somewhere between 18 and 21.

If you're a private corporation, not bound by government restrictions, about 25.

fknauss wrote:

At what point do you stop treating them like they are unable to make their own decisions, even bad ones?

Legally? somewhere between 18 and 21.

If you're a private corporation, not bound by government restrictions, about 25.

As far as gun laws in Texas it's 21 for full adulthood. It's interesting that some corporations would defer to 25. It would go like a lead balloon if that was really consistently applied. If your not an adult till 25 then one should not be able to be in the military until that age too. And yeah voting and drinking limits need to be raised too. Good luck corporations! But, I suppose if corporations could eliminate the second amendment they could eventually remove all our other rights too!

It would go like a lead balloon if that was really consistently applied.

Really? You've never bought car insurance?

fknauss wrote:

It would go like a lead balloon if that was really consistently applied.

Really? You've never bought car insurance?

I'm 55 I've bought my share of insurance. I take it your skeptical that there would be resistance if the legal age for adulthood in all facets of life was raised to 25. On another thread it was mentioned that if the second amendment is lost it's because of corporations. I believe that is correct.

No, there totally would be resistance if the legal age was changed. But actuaries have decided that people under 25 make significantly enough worse decisions than those over do to justify that as a demarcation for insurance prices.

I'm in agreement that it's the unregulated corporations that are going to determine how we live, rather than governments. (Can I find it amusing that Meg Whitman tries to be pro 2A despite her record with eBay and Paypal?). For a couple of decades yet, at least, until the regulation pendulum swings the other way.

fknauss wrote:No, there totally would be resistance if the legal age was changed. But actuaries have decided that people under 25 make significantly enough worse decisions than those over do to justify that as a demarcation for insurance prices.

I'm in agreement that it's the unregulated corporations that are going to determine how we live, rather than governments. (Can I find it amusing that Meg Whitman tries to be pro 2A despite her record with eBay and Paypal?). For a couple of decades yet, at least, until the regulation pendulum swings the other way.

Yep.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morn ... ooks-like/

A bill to allow licensed carriers to have handguns on public college and university campuses was given preliminary approval on Wednesday by the state’s Republican-controlled senate. The measure would repeal an existing law that prohibits licenses holders from having firearms on school grounds. The bill is expected to get a final vote on Thursday and then move to the House, which also enjoys a strong Republican majority.

Its last stop will be Texas Gov. Greg Abbott’s desk.

Were this bill to pass, even if no uptick in crime involving firearms on Texas campuses were to occur, crimes involving firearms committed by students carrying illegally in Texas would be used as a pretext for implementing a new ban.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... s-29739448

Linked also on the other campus carry thread.

The bill approved Wednesday would allow those with proper licenses to carry concealed handguns into university classrooms and buildings. Permit holders must be 21, take a class and pass a background check and shooting test.

We're not talking about children, 21 is an adult. And this is licensed concealed carry. All it means to me is that a licensed individual can carry on a university or college campus just like they can in other parts of Texas.

sikacz wrote:We're not talking about children, 21 is an adult. And this is licensed concealed carry. All it means to me is that a licensed individual can carry on a university or college campus just like they can in other parts of Texas.

This is what people don't seem to get.

The question remains about colleges that have high schools on campus? From the thread on carry on campus to prevent rape.

sikacz wrote:If it's a college or university it's not a high school. At any rate few high schoolers will qualify to conceal carry on college campuses. Very few are 21. I don't see confusion in this. A high school student under aged is a high school student no matter where they take extra courses. But if it becomes a problem in terms of law then lets keep high schoolers in high school not on college or university campuses.

Yes it is both a high school and a college.

In collaboration with Tarrant County College (TCC) Northwest Campus, the Marine Creek Collegiate High School (MCCHS) was developed in 2010 to give students the opportunity to graduate with a high school diploma, an associate degree, and advanced skills for the 21st century workplace.

Housed on the beautiful TCC Northwest Campus, MCCHS is a Fort Worth ISD Gold Seal School of Choice focusing on high academic achievement and equipping scholars with high level college readiness skills. Because of this intense focus on academics, MCCHS only offers UIL academic competitive teams.

[url][http://www.fwisd.org/pages/FWISD/Depart ... High_S/url]

This is one of five high schools for TCCD working with six Independent School Districts.

Dallas County Community College District is doing the same thing along with Lone Star and Harris County in Houston. And many other community colleges.

University of North Texas has its math science Academy which is an accredited high school. Texas Tech also has one.

It is not that high school students carry, but others are not allowed to carry on a public school ground or in the buildings.