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NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:42 am
by DispositionMatrix
So D.C. is the second most gun friendly "state" per the graphic from a few weeks ago.
Overview
Bloomberg ranked the 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia by the number of registered firearms per 1,000 residents.

Methodology
Firearms are defined by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives as a destructive device, machine gun, silencer, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun and any other weapon capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged. Population estimates for 2013 were released by the U.S. Census on June 26, 2014.
http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/be ... ita-states

Forbes disappeared their page.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccart ... fographic/

Dead giveaway: The 19,284 "registered firearms" in NH would be the _only_ "registered firearms" in the state since there is no state-level gun registration. They're all NFA items.

Emily Miller supposedly caught this one.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:54 am
by hillman
DispositionMatrix wrote:So D.C. is the second most gun friendly "state" per the graphic from a few weeks ago.
Overview
Bloomberg ranked the 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia by the number of registered firearms per 1,000 residents.

Methodology
Firearms are defined by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives as a destructive device, machine gun, silencer, short-barreled rifle, short-barreled shotgun and any other weapon capable of being concealed on the person from which a shot can be discharged. Population estimates for 2013 were released by the U.S. Census on June 26, 2014.
http://www.bloomberg.com/visual-data/be ... ita-states

Forbes disappeared their page.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccart ... fographic/

Dead giveaway: The 19,284 "registered firearms" in NH would be the _only_ "registered firearms" in the state since there is no state-level gun registration. They're all NFA items.

Emily Miller supposedly caught this one.
There must be language missing from that quote from the ATF. It's pretty silly as is.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 9:54 am
by CDFingers
California: 7.6 firearms per person, number 40. I'm glad I skewed the curve upwards. Nice link there.

CDFingers

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:11 am
by senorgrand
Many of the NFA devices in CA are owned by the movie industry. Law enforcement must have to file papers with ATF for NFA items. That's the only way the D.C. numbers make sense to me.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 10:17 am
by senorgrand
For actual firearms, the current estimate is that Americans own 300 million. In places like Wyoming, there should be an average of 2 or more per person.

Of course, many of those aren't "registered". :roll:

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:15 am
by SmokeFan
senorgrand wrote:For actual firearms, the current estimate is that Americans own 300 million. In places like Wyoming, there should be an average of 2 or more per person.

Of course, many of those aren't "registered". :roll:
Well, the Wyoming data were the tell for me. It said something like 198 "guns"* per 1000 Wyomingites, or like 1 gun for every 5 Wyomingites. Since 60% of us own guns and most of us are like me (multiple guns), it's probably more like 5 (or more) guns per Wyomingite. And of course they aren't "registered" since we ain't got none of that newfangled gun registration nonsense here. :laugh:

*read: NFA items

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:19 am
by atxgunguy
Looks like TX wins hands-down with NFAs. Our population skews the ranking.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:38 am
by GeorgiaRN
I want to see the data on %80 lower builds....

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:04 pm
by senorgrand
Good luck with that. Just as likely to know how many dildos or bongs were sold in the US last year. Or dildo bongs (that's got to be a thing, right?).

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 12:33 pm
by SmokeFan
senorgrand wrote:.... Or dildo bongs (that's got to be a thing, right?).
Jezebel's on the case. (NSFW)

http://jezebel.com/5311067/put-it-in-yo ... ped-bongs/

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:02 pm
by CDFingers
The market will provide. ;)

CDFingers

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 3:50 pm
by CowboyT
DispositionMatrix wrote: Dead giveaway: The 19,284 "registered firearms" in NH would be the _only_ "registered firearms" in the state since there is no state-level gun registration. They're all NFA items.

Emily Miller supposedly caught this one.
Emily may not like us Liberals--she's made that clear numerous times--but she does point out the inconsistencies and hypocrisies of the antis, and that definitely needs to be done.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:30 pm
by senorgrand
CDFingers wrote:The market will provide. ;)

CDFingers
God Bless America!

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:04 pm
by DispositionMatrix
At some point CBS parroted this ranking, using the same NFRTR and census data to rank "guns per capita" There is no way of knowing how the census data factored in, but as pointed out at the beginning of this thread, NFRTR is NFA data.
https://oig.justice.gov/reports/ATF/e0706/final.pdf

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/most-he ... n-america/
As America reels from yet another mass shooting, inevitable questions resurface about guns laws and the nation's pervasive firearm culture. Here is a look at the 30 states with the most guns per capita, according to the ATF's National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record, and 2013 data from the U.S. Census Bureau.
For every 1,000 residents in Kansas, there are 11 guns. That's 31,926 registered firearms dispersed among 2,893,957 people.
New Hampshire comes in at number 13, with 14.6 guns for every 1,000 residents. That's 19,284 registered firearms dispersed among 1,323,459 people.
The CBS story has been repeated several times on gun restrictionist mediatainment sites within the last week.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:28 pm
by beaurrr
That has to be one of the most bizarre and meaningless articles on rates of ownership. Using the ATF registry only gives insight (and not very good insight) to the rates of items that require registry with ATF. Nowhere did I see it draw the distinction between classes of registered things, such as short barreled long guns, machine guns, destructive devices, or explain what those classes include, what the cost is to register them, or what the registration process entails. Thus, suppressors and SBS, for example, are simply referred to as "registered guns". Also not mentioned are the several states that prohibit some (but not all) registered items, most commonly machine guns (8+) and destructive devices (12+).

I say this was a really, really lazy way to meet some journalistic deadline; simply take ATF's pre-made tabular data and put it into a web-friendly top 30 list.
Pfft.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:44 pm
by ErikO
Any list of firearms ownership that does it by state that does not have Missouri in the top 10 is full of crap.

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:39 pm
by Buck13
Put this in your dildo bong and smoke it!

http://www.thestranger.com/news/feature ... s-not-lube

OK, probably not flammable. Perhaps in a dildo vape pen? Have to keep up with the technology here!

:disco:

Re: NFA data included in Bloomberg "Best and Worst"

Posted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 3:25 pm
by Wurble
ErikO wrote:Any list of firearms ownership that does it by state that does not have Missouri in the top 10 is full of crap.
Pennsylvania has to be up there. Pennsylvania has over 1 million registered hunters.

I have never once personally known a hunter with fewer than 3 firearms.