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Fire him at the least.

Anyone who opens a door with a weapon in his hand is too stupid to be a policeman. Plus, as others have accurately pointed out, it does not fire unless the finger is on the trigger.

Texting the Union Rep also pisses me off. He should have called for an ambulance instead of texting a union rep - ambulance called by bystander. Makes me sick.

Charge him with criminally negligent homicide and let the jury decide. I would convict him on opening a door with a gun in his hand alone (plus he was not supposed to be making that kind of patrol - they are high hazard and things get out of control easy) - how much jail or any is a different issue.

TrueTexan wrote:This has gotten worse. Seems the officer that accidently shot the victim in the stairwell didn't call for emergency help but texted his Union Rep instead. The officers were not supposed to be doing vertical patrols. Had been told not to do them. Did not know the address of the building. This and more all according to NY Daily News.

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bro ... -1.2034219

When looking at that, I saw this one about at least some of family not being down with Sharpton looking for airtime at their expense.

“Al Sharpton came in, put his name on the situation, but has not even made one single call to the parents of Akai,” Gurley’s aunt Hertenceia Peterson told TMZ.com. Peterson, who said she was speaking for Gurley’s mother, Sylvia Palmer, claimed Sharpton doesn’t want justice for her nephew but “money and political gain.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bro ... -1.2034839

Update.
http://time.com/3933240/akai-gurley-new ... ice-death/

“It went off by accident,” Liang said, then repeatedly exclaimed he would be fired.

Found guilty of manslaughter.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/11/us/nypd-o ... f=obinsite

christianne wrote:http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/ ... nnual.html

New York City

In 1971, police officers in New York City shot 314 people, killing 93. (In California, the state with the most police involved shootings in 2011, the police shot 183, killing 102.) In 2010, New York City police shot 24, killing 8. Last year, in the nation's largest city, the police shot 16, killing 6. In Columbus, Ohio, a city one eighth the size of New York, the police shot 14, killing 8. Statistical diversities like this suggest that in the cities with the highest per capita shooting rates, better people ought to be hired, or the existing forces need a lot more training in the use of deadly force.

They also had over 1800 murders in 1971 in NYC, vs 1600 total in California.

Looking at this, it would appear the NYC is doing a credible job of reducing shootings by cops. They do post their shooting report every year. Every shooting is included.
35000 cops killed 6 BGs.

SwampGrouch wrote:I doubt there's any question that Liang fucked up, but how do you conclude a lack of trigger discipline from that article?

Finger on the trigger.
Aiming at someone he didn't intend to shoot.

He was on patrol, not after a known shooter.

RobertS wrote:

SwampGrouch wrote:I doubt there's any question that Liang fucked up, but how do you conclude a lack of trigger discipline from that article?

Finger on the trigger.
Aiming at someone he didn't intend to shoot.

He was on patrol, not after a known shooter.

The prosecution maintained he was scared and deliberately fired blindly into the dark stairwell. The defense argued that Liang unintentionally fired his pistol (trigger checking?). Whether the discharge was intentional or unintentional, the round was sent downward in the stairwell to the floor below, hit a cinderblock wall, and ricocheted into the victim's chest. The victim was supposedly out of Liang's sight.

Looks like the jury didn't believe he fired unintentionally because the trigger "was hard to pull":
http://abc7ny.com/news/peter-liang-juro ... d/1197735/

I think NYPD had the triggers on the service pistols modified to avoid such unintentional discharges, to have an 11 lb "revolver like" pull.

A tragedy.

Part of Liang's defense is that he says he was trained to have his finger along side the trigger guard , not along the frame or slide as would have been safer and preferable.

If this is true, I have to say NYPD has a seriously effed up training regimen, and I would even encourage Liang to sue the NYPD for negligent training.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nypd-officer-p ... d=38507440

A former New York City police officer who shot an unarmed man to death won't face any jail time after a judge today reduced his manslaughter conviction to criminally negligent homicide.

While Brooklyn District Attorney Ken Thompson had suggested a sentencing of six months of house arrest, probation and 500 hours of community service, Judge Danny Chun said today Liang will face five years of probation and 800 hours of community service, but no house arrest.

Who the hell does a routine patrol with a pistol out of its holster? If a non-LEO citizen would have walked around gun in hand because "safety" the would either be arrested or shot, ccw/ open carry or not.

Is this the academy policy for NYPD?

That explains the rumor of 12 pound triggers on NYPD Glock 19s.