The Liberal Gun Club Forum

http://nj1015.com/nj-lawmaker-wants-to-change-gun-law/

Finally something sensible, but I doubt NJ will pass it.

Don't even know if this would save her. She is a poster child for bad laws making felons out of law-abiding citizens.

If you can't trust your judges to make good decisions, maybe you need new judges and not mandatory sentencing laws.

I ll be interested to see how the media covers this. You have a black female gun owner that has the NRA promoting her defense fund.

In this instance, I support the NRA.

It's so sad. Just so sad.

It also angers me.

Even if your state does not require a CCW class, taking one is not a bad idea.

I'm not particularly impressed with this bill, given that all it does is give a judge a little leeway in sentencing. You still get convicted of a felony, losing your gun rights for life, and if the judge thinks something more than just a diversion program is appropriate, his only other choice is still the mandatory sentence. It's literally the least they can do, short of nothing, in reforming their heinously unfair laws. Even if it was to be in place in time to affect Allen, the judge has already denied her the option of going into the pretrial program rather than face trial, so, after a trial that will likely bankrupt her, the best she's likely to get is sent into the program she should have been sent to first instead.

New Jersey makes me sad.

Legislate a new state law. Receive a pardon from Christie. Do the tax payers really want to pick up this tab in this case?

senorgrand wrote:If you can't trust your judges to make good decisions, maybe you need new judges and not mandatory sentencing laws.

Mandatory sentencing laws are pushed by the legislature as a way of showing that they're "tough on crime." it's not about the judges it's about the votes. Remember when the judges were the power in the court room, no more. Now it's the prosecutor.

This is an example of why we need federal law to protect people who carry across state lines. Furthermore, the laws are so diverse and convoluted that if you cross one or two state lines things get very confusing in a hurry. What is happening to this woman is really sad and infuriating.

So where is the outrage? Why am I having trouble finding this story on major networks?

ErikO wrote:New Jersey makes me sad.

New Jersey makes me angry. :::coughRayRicecough:::

GeorgiaRN wrote:So where is the outrage? Why am I having trouble finding this story on major networks?

Because in general, I think people are asking "Why is she so surprised? Did she not CHECK the law before crossing the state line with a gun?"

And while I feel for her, and hope something can be done, I do have to admit to a bit of "didn't she check?" in passing.

Does she have her passport and has she tried contacting the US Consulate in the country she is visiting? Whenever venturing outside the borders of the USA and into a foreign country like NY or Nj where our own constitution doesn't apply, it is important to check the local laws first.

This lady is totally screwed. I don't see too many people coming to her aide.
On liberal forums she has been branded a "conservative in a liberal body", they won't lift a finger to help her. I'd be willing to bet that this is her first gun, that she didn't grow up reading guns and ammo, she very likely was poorly instructed in her ccw class about what she could legally do with her newly licensed gun. Personally I can understand how she made the mistake.

eelj wrote:she very likely was poorly instructed in her ccw class about what she could legally do with her newly licensed gun.

PA does not require a class to get your license.

GeorgiaRN wrote:So where is the outrage? Why am I having trouble finding this story on major networks?

Because she was carrying a gun in her car, she is viewed as a nutcase by many, especially liberals and/or urbanites in the media. Sorry if that ruffles some feathers here, but it's the simple truth. The fact that she is female and black just makes it harder for them to process - I suspect lots of tilted heads and raised eyebrows.

New Jersey, along with MD, DC, NY, CA and IL, are so anti-gun that it's literally difficult to comply with all of the gun laws in those states. I live in PA, and am surrounded by several of those states. I don't think it's paranoid to say that I am afraid I might have a round of ammunition that fell out in my trunk that might make me a felon in NJ or DC were it to be discovered.

I really feel for this woman, as I think she was simply unaware of how preposterous NJ gun laws are. Yes, she should have educated herself, but the idea that crossing the state line makes her a felon is astoundingly ridiculous. I believe the NRA and GOA are coming to her rescue, along with other gun rights groups, and I'm glad they are.

Cop sees out of state tags, black female driving. That is some easy money for the city/state, might be more if she has any possibility of drugs in car. Hopefully she will get out of NJ without jail time.

I think our demographic here is the only one who really cares about her. (There are other individuals, sure. I don't want to paint with too broad a brush). And we are not the target audience of any media source - the same reason we don't fit their narrative is the same reason she doesn't.

fknauss wrote:I think our demographic here is the only one who really cares about her.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean gun owners, then I agree. If you mean liberals, then I think it's pretty obvious many don't give a damn about either this woman or anyone else who wants to own and use guns. If you mean liberal gun owners, then you are slicing and dicing far too finely.

A quick web search reveals that gun rights groups and websites of all political stripes are supporting Ms. Allen, including raising funds for her defense. A substantial portion of the groups and individuals are on the conservative end of the political spectrum, as is natural and expected when dealing with gun rights (this forum being a notable exception).

Part of it is simple empathy for her plight. Part is standard politics, intended to use her unfair arrest and tribulations as an example of absurdity. And, yes, part is more calculated, recognizing that a law-abiding, black, single mother makes an excellent subject case for those inclined to view everything through a prism of race, gender and expectations. She provides a nice contrast to those knee-jerkers who envision every gun owner as an overweight, balding, rural, conservative, white male.

Ms. Allen's case is getting some attention, but it's obvious that she is considered expendable by many liberals and the mainstream media (redundant, of course) - a casualty of a just war (in their minds). The black "civil rights" groups who loudly supported Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown are conspicuously absent from this case. Funny, I haven't heard the president frown and sigh in frustration that this law-abiding black woman who faces three years in prison could be his daughter.

farmplinker wrote:

fknauss wrote:I think our demographic here is the only one who really cares about her.

I'm not sure what you mean by that. If you mean gun owners, then I agree. If you mean liberals, then I think it's pretty obvious many don't give a damn about either this woman or anyone else who wants to own and use guns. If you mean liberal gun owners, then you are slicing and dicing far too finely.

A quick web search reveals that gun rights groups and websites of all political stripes are supporting Ms. Allen, including raising funds for her defense. A substantial portion of the groups and individuals are on the conservative end of the political spectrum, as is natural and expected when dealing with gun rights (this forum being a notable exception).

Part of it is simple empathy for her plight. Part is standard politics, intended to use her unfair arrest and tribulations as an example of absurdity. And, yes, part is more calculated, recognizing that a law-abiding, black, single mother makes an excellent subject case for those inclined to view everything through a prism of race, gender and expectations. She provides a nice contrast to those knee-jerkers who envision every gun owner as an overweight, balding, rural, conservative, white male.

Ms. Allen's case is getting some attention, but it's obvious that she is considered expendable by many liberals and the mainstream media (redundant, of course) - a casualty of a just war (in their minds). The black "civil rights" groups who loudly supported Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown are conspicuously absent from this case. Funny, I haven't heard the president frown and sigh in frustration that this law-abiding black woman who faces three years in prison could be his daughter.

Expendable is right. More than that. I think the leaders who are "mum" right now want her to be statistic to use after she has gone to jail. It's more useful for her to be an example later than to help her now. "This is what happens when a black woman carries a gun versus... blah blah."

It's good that the nra and the goa are standing up for her. Why isn't sharpton? The pseudo liberal left is supposed to be champions for minorities, the nra wins this round. Hell I might even round up for them the next time I buy from Midway USA.