The massacre in Newtown is far from Bushmaster's first brush with tragedy. The company's semiautomatic rifles were used in at least four high-profile mass shootings since 1999, including a 2009 rampage that left 10 dead across southern Alabama, and a 2010 shooting spree in Virginia that killed eight people over 19 hours. Most notoriously, a Bushmaster .223 rifle was used by the so-called Beltway snipers, John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo, who murdered 15 people in 2001 and 2002.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 12818.html

If they made better products and priced them $400-$500 higher, it may not be as likely for them.

I had a dpms. It was around 700 bucks. Same parent company.

I have an M&P 15 Sport. A cheapman's AR-15. When I saw Bushmaster type AR-15s at the local gun stores in my area, they are very overpriced from the $1200-2000 range or more. And from what I've heard about them the quality has been pretty crappy, it is just the brand name that makes it cost so much.

So Bushmasters were used. So what? I mean some believe Smoke leads to tooting. Ketchup leads to violence. It would seem we solve the 'problem' by just having a stimulus buy back of all Bushmasters. Problem solved. And I really do need to take the rest of my meds and go to bed as my Patriots are getting their asses whipped.

It's my birthday tomorrow, turn the magical 73, and am going to the range with my MN 91 30 and my Savage 187 semi .22lr.

Peace ya'll

paul

Happy Birthday!!

Happy Birthday

Mr Bluefish. Have a great day at the range.

Windham Arms is as responsible for folks breaking the law with their products as InBev is with theirs.

Happy Birthday. May all your shots be bullseyes.

Birthday thread here
http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=16823

welcome to the "Depends" generation!

Happy birthday.

GuitarsandGuns wrote:The massacre in Newtown is far from Bushmaster's first brush with tragedy. The company's semiautomatic rifles were used in at least four high-profile mass shootings since 1999, including a 2009 rampage that left 10 dead across southern Alabama, and a 2010 shooting spree in Virginia that killed eight people over 19 hours. Most notoriously, a Bushmaster .223 rifle was used by the so-called Beltway snipers, John Allen Muhammed and Lee Boyd Malvo, who murdered 15 people in 2001 and 2002.

I know the Huffington Post is trying to beat up a fever pitch against so-called assault rifles, but what exactly is the point of the above? That Bushmaster sells a lot of guns?

Take the McLendon mass shooting in Alabama. The shooter had a SKS (fixed magazine, by the way) and Bushmaster (no collapsible stock, no bayonet lug, if a quick search is to be believed), along with a shotgun and a .38 revolver. He killed 11 unarmed people, and killed himself at the end of a shootout with police... the first armed folks he encountered during the incident. It's unclear which weapon(s) he used. You could take away both rifles AND the shotgun and this perp is still far better armed than any of his victims, and still able to kill them with ease. The only difference might have been the police shootout's duration... and perhaps he would not have hit the Police Chief in the arm.

Virginia would be the Speight shootings, although the description is inaccurate. As far as I know, the gun he used wasn't ever determined, as he turned himself in unarmed after an 18 hour manhunt. He owned a Colt AR, a Bushmaster AR, and a couple of Norincos, and "other military arms." Obviously, if the Bushmaster magically disappeared, the guy was still a match for eight unarmed victims. The DC snipers stole a Bushmaster. Nothing about that gun made them more or less effective, and like most criminals usiong a stolen gun it's reasonable to assume their reason for that gun was because it was availble.

HuffPo WANTS to imply that if only we could get rid of these Bushmaster and similar "assault rifles" then these tragedies would not have happened. That's completely illogical. As always, it's the person. If not the Bushmaster, another gun. If not a gun, a car, or propane tank, or rat poison, or fertilizer.

pgaert wrote:HuffPo WANTS to imply that if only we could get rid of these Bushmaster and similar "assault rifles" then these tragedies would not have happened. That's completely illogical. As always, it's the person. If not the Bushmaster, another gun. If not a gun, a car, or propane tank, or rat poison, or fertilizer.

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't care what AOL/HuffPo implied.

Up until now people were thinking he didn't use an AR.
I do find coincidences coincidental, nothing more.

I do see, that certain types of rifles are so customizable that they can please the owner. They are also used in film and tv. Also by the Police and the Military. Why would a young person have a desire for a lever action rifle? All they see are AR's AK's and Glocks. Sometimes a huge revolver.

In my day it was the the Thompson, the M-1 carbine, the Luger, the P-38, Walther PPK the Beretta .25 It was shaken, not stirred.

The black plastic firearms are as ubiquitous as cell phones. Glocks are THE new fashion accessory.

As you say - The problem is people. Always has, always will be.

The concern is the concentration of destructive power.Of course,even the thought of a single shot shotgun in the wrong hands is chilling.
And the past focus on 'saturday night specials',which soon morphed to emphasis on 'cheap'. Even Obama wasted precious debate time by mumbling the 'cheap' narative.What would we prefer,that the bad guys have dependable,expensive weapons??

There is generally,wide acceptance of 'hunt' and 'defense' arms more reflective of earlier military design.(1894 lever action assault carbine!!....dreaded evil 'semi auto'....circa 1911!!)

For those concerned that Ruger ('Arms Makers For Responsible Citizens') might have soon dropped the Ruger No1 Single Shot,recent events assures that the world of William Ruger's era and outlook may hang on a bit.
Even in the midst of regressive society,carved up landscapes,urbanization,declining outdoor recreation,Sarah Palin et al a stock with good wood may still inspire.

Last I heard (and I have been trying hard not to hear more about this tragic event and the person who committed it), he took his mum's firearms to the school after killing her. So it's not like he chose this brand of AR because of its performance, price or looks. It just happened to be the rifle his mother owned.

Wonder if Wyndham will buy back their original name?

Doc wrote:Last I heard (and I have been trying hard not to hear more about this tragic event and the person who committed it), he took his mum's firearms to the school after killing her. So it's not like he chose this brand of AR because of its performance, price or looks. It just happened to be the rifle his mother owned.

Exactly. What if all that was availabel was a Model 1917, 1911, and an M1 Carbine?

GuitarsandGuns wrote: I do see, that certain types of rifles are so customizable that they can please the owner. They are also used in film and tv. Also by the Police and the Military. Why would a young person have a desire for a lever action rifle? All they see are AR's AK's and Glocks. Sometimes a huge revolver.

In my day it was the the Thompson, the M-1 carbine, the Luger, the P-38, Walther PPK the Beretta .25 It was shaken, not stirred.

The black plastic firearms are as ubiquitous as cell phones. Glocks are THE new fashion accessory.

As you say - The problem is people. Always has, always will be.

Actually, the video-games "Fallout" and "Gun" have created at least a modest resurgence in the demand for lever guns. "Fallout" is a post-apocalyptic sci-fi role-playing game set in what used to be the United States, while "Gun" is an old-west themed shooter. Both feature lever-action rifles as some of the most powerful weapons in the game.


Edit: It doesn't hurt that 30-30 is quite comparable to 7.62x39 and lever-actions don't inspire panic in non-gun people.

Red Dead Redemption and Juarez are also a pair of fun shooter games that tend to the Old West/Wild Bunch type firearms.

I've always found plinking at reactive targets like cans or steel plates with a lever or pump 22 is the best way to teach someone the pleasures of SA rifles.