I'd suggest just about every place. There's a few places where you can enter a place where alcohol is served with a gun, but you can't legally take a drink.

Redbird wrote:Not moot - the discussion has just turned to different aspects of the issue.

In his veto remarks, the governor basically spelled out what he wants to see in the revised draft - an opt-out clause for everyone. When he gets that, he'll sign.

So really window dressing and no change. All those places of any importance, all schools and hospitals for sure, will opt out. There's no large organization that's going to permit gun carrying on their premises, no administration would be so lax, and if any were their insurance company would remind them.

Thank Good... vetoed.

I'm with JohnGradyCole, maybe armed police in every school but not armed teachers or school janitors.

Schools are, by their nature, very chaotic places. They are filled with our precious little animals who have yet to learn right from wrong or developing pseudo-adults who are always testing those limits because they still don't make the connections for the consequences of their words/actions. Ask me how I know...

There is a common logic to making schools GFZ's because of this. Aside from the obvious that stray bullets that hit an unintended target is unthinkable and would destroy families. Educators (and even rent-a-cops) simply do not have the training necessary to be entrusted with firing guns in schools with children abound.

The saying, "It'd be like a bull in a china shop," kind of comes to mind when thinking of this bill. Guns in schools really isn't the answer. It's really a bad idea actually...

The one aspect of the conversation that I think has been missed is the problem of what to do if you CCW and drop your young kids off at school or pick them up?

I drop my daughter off in the morning and walk her to the pre-school program (pre- as in before the school opens and in the early afternoon after school officially lets out). I am required to walk her to her classroom and sign her in, which is exactly what I would do even if it were not required.

This means that if I were carrying, I'd have to leave the weapon locked in the car.

There are only two places where I am comfortable leaving a pistol. Locked in my safe at home, or in my holster on my body.

Steal my car, and you get my pistol. I'm not down with that, but I'm absolutely not going to carry onto school grounds for that is against the law.

The intent of the law is to reduce school violence. The effect of the law is quite different. If society trusts that I can carry most everywhere else safely, then I should be able to carry while dropping my daughter off.

2c over and out.

gascolator wrote:

Antiquus wrote:...alcohol consumption while carrying is illegal.

Only in some places.

Defensive shooting while not sober here in MO is ok. Most drunks manage to talk themselves out of it being a good shooting...