AutoZone Employee, Fired After Stopping Robber (Video)

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Found this from another gun site... just so you know I don't troll Fox News on a regular basis.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/to ... bbery.html
An AutoZone worker who stopped an armed robbery by retrieving a weapon from his truck said he was fired by the company for violating their gun policy.

Devin McLean and his store manager were about to close the AutoZone in York County, Va. when a gunman barged into the store.

“He pulled a gun from his waist band and demanded me and my manager go back into the office,” McLean told Fox News.

At some point, McLean was left in a restroom while the gunman made the manager open the store safe. That’s when McLean, a 23-year-old Air Force veteran, bolted through a side door and ran to his truck.

He returned through the front door holding a Glock 40 [sic] – pointed directly at the masked robber.

“I told him to freeze and to drop his weapon,” McLean told Fox News.

Instead, the robber took off – last seen running down the street from the store.

“I watched him run down the street,” he said. “I came back inside and made sure my manager was okay and he called the police.”

The York County Sheriff’s Dept. believes the bandit is responsible for as many as 30 robberies across the region.
“One of the officers asked why I didn’t shoot the robber,” McLean said.

Sheriff J.D. Diggs told Fox News he considers McLean to be a hero.

“He did a very brave thing,” the sheriff said. “He put himself in jeopardy in an attempt to make sure his friend was safe. He did a very brave thing.”

The part-time worker’s manager was especially thankful and credited McLean with saving his life.

But two days after the robbery – and just a week before Thanksgiving – McLean was fired.

Television station WTKR reported that McLean violated corporate policy by leaving the store and returning with a weapon.

The station spoke to a representative from the company’s corporate office who said they had a “zero tolerance policy for employees having weapons inside the store.”

An AutoZone spokesman told Fox News they will not discuss the matter.

“It was a surprise to me,” McLean said. “I did the right thing. I saved the company $2,000. I saved one of their manager’s lives – and you’re letting me go? It was a slap in the face.”

McLean said the firing came at a difficult time. He’s about to be a first-time father.

“We’re having a little boy,” he said. “I remember when the guy came in with that gun. My initial thought was I want to make it home to my family. I want to have the opportunity to meet my son and for my son to meet his dad. And for someone to come in and shove a gun in your face?”

So why not just keep running? Why go back inside the store – and risk your own life?

“I regard them as my family,” McLean said of his co-workers. “You’re not going to leave your brother or sister behind.”

It’s a lesson he learned in the Air Force.

“Never leave a man behind,” he said. “I’m not going to leave my brother in a room with a guy with a gun – that’s threatening his life.”

In spite of losing his job, McLean said his actions would be the same if it happened again.

“I wouldn’t change anything,” he said.

The sheriff said he was disappointed to hear that McLean lost his job on account of stopping the robbery.

“That’s certainly unfortunate,” he said. “They should be doing something to reward that young man instead of firing him.”

Sheriff Diggs said AutoZone has also sent an unintended message to the community.

“The company has now sent a message to every would-be robber out there – ‘Hey we’re open for business and unarmed. Come on in and take our money,’” he said.

Meanwhile, the backlash against AutoZone is spreading. Cam Edwards, of NRA News, called AutoZone’s decision an “injustice.”

“It may have been corporate policy to fire Devin McLean, but it’s also an injustice. He came to the aid of a fellow employee threatened by an armed robber and was canned. They should have named him employee of the year.”
He said the nation needs more people like McLean.

“He had the chance to run away but instead he chose to arm himself with his legally owned gun and save the life of his supervisor,” Edwards told Fox News. “Wouldn’t we all like to work with someone like Devin?”

Customers have launched a boycott against the company on Facebook and a petition has been started urging them to rehire McLean.

“There’s a Pep Boys right around the corner,” one irate customer wrote on Facebook.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/0 ... 20219.html

Once again it seems the pencil pushers at corporate hq developed a case of mistaken identity... between the guy wearing the white hat and the one in the black hat.

Of course the devil's in the details: The part-time employee is a veteran who has official firearms training and not some yahoo with a gun, he stated his intention was purely to protect a fellow employee and not play vigilante, he didn't unload his clip at the robber when the guy was running for the door. This young man stoically went to retrieve his weapon to even the odds, confronted the assailant, and made him back down and run away. I don't see how this could have gone down any better, how this young man could have been any braver, or how more wrong it was for him to have been fired as a result.

I'm sure with this kind of publicity he will be getting a new job soon with higher pay deserving of is character.
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senorgrand wrote:I can understand Autozone's position. Many of their stores are in high-crime areas. Without a blanket policy, every yahoo would bring a .454 and a "shoot first, ask questions later" engagement policy.
People would be opening up on wiper blades and oil filters that they thought they saw move.

I get why Auto Zone did it. Could you imagine if there was a customer in the store that he hadn't seen and had struck them on accident? Or if the thief did open up? It's usually safer to give the guy what he wants and to leave. So what if Auto Zone is out $2,000? They'd prefer that over what could have possibly happened.
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Mid 1970s, I was fresh out of the AF and working contract retail security. My first shift in a particular hardware store in the client chain, the assistant manager (who was the designated client contact for us store dicks) said, "If someone holds the place up, you don't do anything. I'm just going to give him the till and ask if he'd like a carry-out. The owner has lots of money, but you and I only have one ass each, and mine's already got one hole in it."

Most retail chains have a similar policy - get the sonofabitch out the door without getting anyone hurt. Banks, too.
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I have often debated with myself what the proper action is if I find myself in an armed robbery situation and I and am carrying. Normally armed robbers don't shoot, they just threaten, so by responding you may make the situation much worse.
Personal guns are for personal protection. The goal is to get and stay out of harms way, by shooting if necessary. But once out of harms way, going back in to confront an armed individual is a debatable choice.

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Every situation is different. With the robber making them go back into the office I'd see it as a threat to my life and co-worker's life and would have probably done the same thing. A straight, quick, "empty the register" at the front of the store and it's just money.

The leadership at AutoZone are assholes. Added to my list right after Papa John's and Applebees for businesses I won't do business with.
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I'm surprised...

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Not having ever been in such a situation and never worked in a position of manager for a store, I'm learning lots from the perspective that many here are sharing about this story.

I am genuinely surprised at the good reasons you've stated for defending Autozone's policy for it speaks volumes about the level-headed and multiple-perspective values that we do value as a group.

I, for one, do not consider firearms my first-line of self-defense. I rarely ever carry my pistols and certainly I never played out in my mind what I would do in a hold-up situation because I know how ridiculous it is to plan for such encounters (don't wish to invite one energetically).

And yet for my own reasons, my life's lessons have been teaching me to defend myself against people who would resort to aggression rather than fair-trade for what they want. My life has been about doing and standing up for what is right.

That is how I read into this article and why I felt so incensed.

But I genuinely appreciate the presentation of the alternative views and can see how no life is worth risking because of money. Autozone certainly has a lot more money than any of the three guys in that store that night and (shee-it) they probably have an insurance policy out for robberies such as this.

My only hope is that the robber realizes that he just risked his ass for a measly wad of cash and reflects on his life's decisions. The young veteran still has my hats off and I wish him the best...
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"At some point, McLean was left in a restroom while the gunman made the manager open the store safe. That’s when McLean, a 23-year-old Air Force veteran, bolted through a side door and ran to his truck. He returned through the front door holding a Glock 40 [sic] – pointed directly at the masked robber."

My concern here is once he got to safety he chose to grab a weapon and return. Could this not make the argument that at this point he is now the aggressor? Whether or not the cop thought he was a hero, if he had actually shot the guy couldn't a savvy lawyer claim that he was no longer in fear for his life once he left the building and by grabbing a gun and running back in and have a good case for manslaughter at the very least? Not an enviable situation to be in for sure. Folks at the NRA facebook page already calling for a boycott of Autozone. I'm not sure the company was wrong here.
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JoeW1911 wrote:"At some point, McLean was left in a restroom while the gunman made the manager open the store safe. That’s when McLean, a 23-year-old Air Force veteran, bolted through a side door and ran to his truck. He returned through the front door holding a Glock 40 [sic] – pointed directly at the masked robber."

My concern here is once he got to safety he chose to grab a weapon and return. Could this not make the argument that at this point he is now the aggressor? Whether or not the cop thought he was a hero, if he had actually shot the guy couldn't a savvy lawyer claim that he was no longer in fear for his life once he left the building and by grabbing a gun and running back in and have a good case for manslaughter at the very least? Not an enviable situation to be in for sure. Folks at the NRA facebook page already calling for a boycott of Autozone. I'm not sure the company was wrong here.
The argument against that is that the manager's life was still in immediate danger. I know that is one of the thresholds for deciding when to draw or not in Florida. Now if the manager wasn't in the picture and he had been locked up in the restroom while the thief grabbed things off the shelf and raided the register on his own, this guy would have issues.
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Dallas has had robberies where the employees are herded up to the office and capped. From knowing this as a possible outcome I'd be on edge in the same situation.

I've been robbed before and it was a simple act of handing over the till and off they went. The incident in the article was far more personal than handing over the money.
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Pretty typical of corporate culture in this country today. This guy seemed to think that a fellow employee was in imminent danger of losing his life and did what he had to without firing a shot to save his life. Your fired because our rules are etched in stone and must not be broken even if it means the loss of someones life. The guy he saved thought his life was toast, the cops thought so too, corporate probably did too but rules are rules.
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AutoZone's position and action is understandable from a practical perspective, but in this specific case, seems unfair and will obviously backfire. Especially in such as pro-2A state as VA. The clerk's military background will also intensify the backlash in an area with a huge veteran population.

In most cases, a "grab-and-dash" robbery doesn't warrant an escalation of force, even if robber is armed. But conventional armed robbery wisdom also views actions like forcing victims into a a secluded area as an escalation of aggression that meets the standard legal criteria ("..immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or grave bodily harm to the innocent.") for the use of lethal force.

But the standard varies wildly from state to state. VA is relatively lenient when it comes to justification.

Personally, considering the actions of the robber, I would have done the same as the clerk.

Good read about lethal defense:

http://www.corneredcat.com/article/lega ... -jeopardy/

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