near highest education in the world - 30% less than US

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http://www.businessinsider.com/finland- ... 11-12?op=1

Finland pays teachers like we pay doctors, there is only 1 mandatory test, taken when the child is 16. Kids are not tested at all for the first 6 years, over 1 hour recess, very advanced science and technical programs...66% go to college.
30% less cost than US.


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It is not the teachers in the US that drive up the cost it is the administration which is there to deal with all of the paperwork required by the numerous and repetitive testing of kids. Also, those poor administrators (and most teachers) have to deal with the parents who want to know why their child who is watching > 6 hours of tv / video games per day is not doing well in school. And don't want to change their home life to be more constructive to education.

Side note: There are also many children out there who do not do well even without those distractions but the administrators/teachers are so busy worrying about test scores and all the other paperwork to provide the adequate help to those children. So test / paperwork make it hard to do the actual job of educating.
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auggiecc87 wrote:It is not the teachers in the US that drive up the cost it is the administration which is there to deal with all of the paperwork required by the numerous and repetitive testing of kids. Also, those poor administrators (and most teachers) have to deal with the parents who want to know why their child who is watching > 6 hours of tv / video games per day is not doing well in school. And don't want to change their home life to be more constructive to education.

Side note: There are also many children out there who do not do well even without those distractions but the administrators/teachers are so busy worrying about test scores and all the other paperwork to provide the adequate help to those children. So test / paperwork make it hard to do the actual job of educating.
I think you are correct, although I have to admit that my older son spent, and my younger children spend a decent amount of time watching the tube. The vast majority of the time I (in the case of my son) and my wife and I were sitting there interacting about the shows and such. You hit the nail on the head in terms of the value placed on education. I think that it is not that cut and dry as many people do find it important, but are working multiple jobs or the types of job that leave you dead tired and make it very difficult to spend that hour reading with and helping the kids with school work.

Testing is ridiculous and has never proven to be effective at measuring anything except how well they can perform on a test that day.
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auggiecc87 wrote:It is not the teachers in the US that drive up the cost it is the administration which is there to deal with all of the paperwork required by the numerous and repetitive testing of kids. Also, those poor administrators (and most teachers) have to deal with the parents who want to know why their child who is watching > 6 hours of tv / video games per day is not doing well in school. And don't want to change their home life to be more constructive to education.

Side note: There are also many children out there who do not do well even without those distractions but the administrators/teachers are so busy worrying about test scores and all the other paperwork to provide the adequate help to those children. So test / paperwork make it hard to do the actual job of educating.

I agree. Test focused "education" is not really education...for some reason many on the right don't want kids to learn how to actually THINK...witness the end of teaching "critical thinking" in Texas this year...


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dogngun wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/finland- ... 11-12?op=1

Finland pays teachers like we pay doctors, there is only 1 mandatory test, taken when the child is 16. Kids are not tested at all for the first 6 years, over 1 hour recess, very advanced science and technical programs...66% go to college.
30% less cost than US.


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Interesting, but I have one correction. Finland grants teachers the same respect as doctors, but unless a U.S. doctor's starting pay is 29K, they don't PAY them like doctors. Maybe you can pay the rent with respect in Finland.....

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Cabrito wrote:
dogngun wrote:http://www.businessinsider.com/finland- ... 11-12?op=1

Finland pays teachers like we pay doctors, there is only 1 mandatory test, taken when the child is 16. Kids are not tested at all for the first 6 years, over 1 hour recess, very advanced science and technical programs...66% go to college.
30% less cost than US.


mark
Interesting, but I have one correction. Finland grants teachers the same respect as doctors, but unless a U.S. doctor's starting pay is 29K, they don't PAY them like doctors. Maybe you can pay the rent with respect in Finland.....
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co ... ry=Finland

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USA in comparison:

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/co ... ted+States

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Teacher's saleries:
http://www.oecd-ilibrary.org/education/ ... l-table-en

Starting wage in US for Secondary: Starting: $36,772 15 years: $45,049 Max: $55,259
Teacher's wages in Finland: Starting: $31,351 15 years: $40,451 Max: $42,879
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MtnMan wrote:
dogngun wrote:Erik, I based that comment on this ;

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid ... =3&theater
Which says that the Finns pay teachers like they pay doctors, not like the US pays doctors.
That's how I took it. ;)

Drs in Finland make far less money than teachers:

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2010/ ... ?mobile=nc ~$40k per year is a standard Doc's paycheck.
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dogngun wrote: Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:21 am
auggiecc87 wrote:It is not the teachers in the US that drive up the cost it is the administration which is there to deal with all of the paperwork required by the numerous and repetitive testing of kids. Also, those poor administrators (and most teachers) have to deal with the parents who want to know why their child who is watching > 6 hours of tv / video games per day is not doing well in school. And don't want to change their home life to be more constructive to education.

Side note: There are also many children out there who do not do well even without those distractions but the administrators/teachers are so busy worrying about test scores and all the other paperwork to provide the adequate help to those children. So test / paperwork make it hard to do the actual job of educating.

I agree. Test focused "education" is not really education...for some reason many on the right don't want kids to learn how to actually THINK...witness the end of teaching "critical thinking" in Texas this year...


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