Looks like he made it into a murder instead of self-defense.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11 ... urder?lite

That wouldn't fly even here in Texas.

He definitely went well beyond self defense. I could see a warning or wounding shot; but shooting them when they are down multiple times? Give him to the chair.

Wow. That's way overboard.

Dude has anger issues.

I can see shooting the first and then warning the second to leave. Beyond that, not good.

A 'warning shot' should be the one that goes into the first non-leaving burglar. If they leave, no need to shoot. IF they don't the they are there to cause harm and all bets are off.

This guy probably calls others 'retarded'...

He has become my new 'that guy' for home defense.

whitey wrote:Dude has anger issues.

Hopefully that wil be fixed shortly. Apparently not by the death penalty though. Which is good in my book.

Boy, what a monster.

Xela

Here is the local paper's story.

http://www.startribune.com/local/180853761.html

What a mess.

Ultravox wrote:Here is the local paper's story.

http://www.startribune.com/local/180853761.html

What a mess.

Bail was set at $2 million, with the prosecution noting the defendant's extensive travels to Beijing, Bangkok, Moscow and elsewhere overseas while he was working for the U.S. State Department.


Messed up former spook? Let the conspiracy theories BEGIN!

Xela

Hopefully they can give him a nice cell in Stillwater and the world can forget the old bastard ever existed.

Xela wrote:

Ultravox wrote:Here is the local paper's story.

http://www.startribune.com/local/180853761.html

What a mess.

Bail was set at $2 million, with the prosecution noting the defendant's extensive travels to Beijing, Bangkok, Moscow and elsewhere overseas while he was working for the U.S. State Department.


Messed up former spook? Let the conspiracy theories BEGIN!

Xela

If it hadn't said he worked for the state dept. I would've thought he was shopping for a wife.

Ultravox wrote:Here is the local paper's story.

http://www.startribune.com/local/180853761.html

What a mess.

i am sorry my brother, i can't read anymore of that...i want to throw up.

whitey wrote:If it hadn't said he worked for the state dept. I would've thought he was shopping for a wife.

Guy who traps teenagers in his basement and executes them and is also interested in international sex tourism? That was my first thought too.

Stupid excessive force loses, but not as much as the stupid kids lost. I'll mourn for the kids.

Fukshot wrote:

whitey wrote:If it hadn't said he worked for the state dept. I would've thought he was shopping for a wife.

Guy who traps teenagers in his basement and executes them and is also interested in international sex tourism? That was my first thought too.

Don't forget the 2 million bail...he must also have the funds as well...

Xela

Fukshot wrote:Guy who traps teenagers in his basement and executes them and is also interested in international sex tourism? That was my first thought too.

That is part of what is extremely suspicious beyond his candid statement about how he basically executed them both. He claims that the second victim voluntarily came down into the basement after this guy fired several rounds from a .223 caliber rifle into her cousin? Like she didn't hear that? I'm more inclined to believe he herded them down there at gunpoint and then shot them both.

Very good point. I wondered about that too. I assumed it was just some circumstance undescribed that kept her from hearing.

What can you say? I hope he gets a nice long sentence and is released in the general prison population. He'll see how tough he is then.

beto wrote:What can you say? I hope he gets a nice long sentence and is released in the general prison population. He'll see how tough he is then.

I'm sure the kindly folks at Columbia will treat him well, just like Dahmer was.

Fukshot wrote:Very good point. I wondered about that too. I assumed it was just some circumstance undescribed that kept her from hearing.

Let's just say I won't be shocked if they don't find a single drop of blood anywhere except that basement floor.

http://www.inforum.com/event/article/id/381424/

Sad as it all is, what we have here is a case of two "gonna live forever" teens involved in a confrontation with a true psychopath. I was never into burglary or anything even at my most rambunctious, but my folks tried to instill in me the idea that everyone YOU pick to do wrong to is NOT going to be a law abiding citizen. When my stepson went through his teen years, I used to tell him the same thing. My point is, thousands of kids disappear every year. A big proportion are teenagers. You never know what kind of shit your teen is getting into when they're not at home. My bet is at least some of them disappear because of incidents like this.

Having said that, this incident raises some questions. My number one question is what the hell was this guy DOING in that basement? Did he have a pot growing set-up? Meth lab? What I am reading is that he had time to clean up that basement before he called the cops. Both guns he used were .22s. (How was the Mini 14 set up?) In a brick house, a .22 would be barely audible from outside, and near silent from the basement. A .22 is NOT the first choice for a self defense weapon. He was set up to defend something, and not get caught. There's more to this story, I guarantee you.

This has already been posted.

I used to tell my troops in the Air Force when they got into trouble, "The closer you get to the cliff, the more likely you'll fall off."

M4Builder wrote:This has already been posted.

Sorry--- news to me.