Re: Man shoots two pit bulls that surrounded jogger, deputie

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senorgrand wrote:I bet this wasn't the only incident with these dogs. I've been cornered by vicious dogs and the owners are always oblivious.

If you ever wanted to bankrupt "trial lawyers," all you have to do is get rid of dumb people owning big dogs.
Dogs running at large displaying aggressive pack behavior?

Look, I lived in a town where this was all too common. I don't know how many times I pulled my pistol on dogs.

Thing about this town, it was also a college town and one where people from Kentucky sent their rejects.

One incident happened in front of the Domino's Pizza. I pulled the 9mm I carried at the time; a Taurus PT92 pre-decock that was made on Beretta machinery. Much better than they put out today. Cops were not called by anyone inside the pizzeria.

Anyway, this incident had the dog growling at me. I was carrying an empty Gatorade bottle I'd finished on the walk in my right (weak) hand, and I'd drawn my Taurus with my left hand.

Now, here I was, looking at a growling dog that had run up to me and stopped, waiting for me to move. I, in turn, was holding the front sight on the dog's head and waiting for the dog to make a move.

I think we realized we both looked like total idiots.

The dog was not in attack mode yet, but definitely in hunter/stalker mode, and ready to bring down game.

Now, here's the thing: I love dogs. I've owned at least one in all points of my life, and I train them. I like to think I know what I'm doing using pack behavior method to talk to them.

So, a dog in hunter/stalker mode will take off on almost anything. I had that empty Gatorade bottle there... I tossed it. The dog went after it, grabbed it, and took off.

I didn't have to kill the dog, which made me more happy than you may believe, and the dog got something out of the incident, which made it happy.

A dog operates on a simple OODA loop. The person who ran down and shot these dogs got into their OODA loops and disrupted the pack psyche when he scared them. They went from fight to flight.

Now, it became a matter of hunting the hunters instead of a defensive operation. He went on the offense.

I can understand this if the owner had been cited, or the authorities were unwilling or unable to deal with the problem when contacted. It is, after all, every citizen's responsibility to know and enforce the law.

However, this guy went to far and was way too excited. I want to know why it took a spray of bullets to put down one of these dogs, seriously wound one, and let one get away unscathed?

Having been in similar situations and worse, I will state that it's a simple matter of aiming and squeezing. If you don't have a sure target, don't fire! It's an easy concept.

It's a fine line between a citizen who is enforcing the law, and vigilantism. This incident, on the surface at least, appears to fall on the latter side of the line.

Regards,

Josh
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Re: Man shoots two pit bulls that surrounded jogger, deputie

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Wabatuckian wrote: I think we realized we both looked like total idiots.
very insightful observation! it is indeed too bad that the fellow who is the focus of the article didn't have the same epiphany...it appears that the dogs in question did.

letting one's dogs run around, not very wise...running after dogs while blasting away, just plain stupid.
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Re: Man shoots two pit bulls that surrounded jogger, deputie

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When it happens in my locale, the cops practically high-five the shooter. Even the comments in the news stories aren't as pro-dog as you might guess. It happened inside city limits last Summer, and nobody had any problem with him discharging his weapon: two shots, two hits, one dead pitbull.

Usually it's somebody walking their dog that gets set upon by the pack. I think if the wife and I were out strolling (sans dog) on the street and we were confronted by a pack, I'd just draw and shoot the leader, period. Screw that "Mexican standoff" crap.

A pack that goes after people instead of another dog is serious business, and my taking them down is a boon to me, to the next unsuspecting citizen, and to the dog owner who won't get sued BLIND by the parents of a mauled kid.

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