http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11 ... s-out?lite

Check this out.

Hmm. Says she had to put the magazine in the gun and then cock it.

Is that condition -2?

Ultravox wrote:Hmm. Says she had to put the magazine in the gun and then cock it.

Is that condition -2?

Condition 4.

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/1911care.htm

Brings new meaning to "Show me yours and I'll show you mine."

"Mine's bigger"

Dude just learned why he should stick with dirty magazines.

And I suppose you could call her Ruger a flash suppressor.

ErikO wrote:"Mine's bigger"

What were their respective cal.

"It's actually a .44 mag, but it's been really cold today."

Jokes aside, I'm not sure indecent exposure or lewd behavior or whatever is enough of a threat to justify the counter threat of deadly force. Unpleasant? Yes. In fear? Quite possibly. In fear for life or limb? I don't think so.

I don't mean to minimize the unpleasantness for the victim. I don't mean (even a tiny bit) to apologize for this creep's behavior. I just question if this rises to an adequate threat to pull a gun on someone, as the event is described in the article. I like to think I would have confronted verbally before elevating the situation.

Fukshot wrote:Jokes aside, I'm not sure indecent exposure or lewd behavior or whatever is enough of a threat to justify the counter threat of deadly force. Unpleasant? Yes. In fear? Quite possibly. In fear for life or limb? I don't think so.

I don't mean to minimize the unpleasantness for the victim. I don't mean (even a tiny bit) to apologize for this creep's behavior. I just question if this rises to an adequate threat to pull a gun on someone, as the event is described in the article. I like to think I would have confronted verbally before elevating the situation.

I agree with you on this one. If all he was doing was flashing, there is no threat to your life there.

Pointing and laughing while calling 911 would probably have gotten the job done.

Well, he was masturbating and told her she was welcome to watch. I would find that threatening, but not pull a gun and send the dogs after him threatening.

Fukshot wrote:Well, he was masturbating and told her she was welcome to watch. I would find that threatening, but not pull a gun and send the dogs after him threatening.

Welcome to watch without more is not deadly force responsive. Its just can invite you can reject, right?

Ultravox wrote:

Fukshot wrote:Jokes aside, I'm not sure indecent exposure or lewd behavior or whatever is enough of a threat to justify the counter threat of deadly force. Unpleasant? Yes. In fear? Quite possibly. In fear for life or limb? I don't think so.

I don't mean to minimize the unpleasantness for the victim. I don't mean (even a tiny bit) to apologize for this creep's behavior. I just question if this rises to an adequate threat to pull a gun on someone, as the event is described in the article. I like to think I would have confronted verbally before elevating the situation.

I agree with you on this one. If all he was doing was flashing, there is no threat to your life there.

Pointing and laughing while calling 911 would probably have gotten the job done.

Yes.

Ultravox wrote:

Fukshot wrote:Jokes aside, I'm not sure indecent exposure or lewd behavior or whatever is enough of a threat to justify the counter threat of deadly force. Unpleasant? Yes. In fear? Quite possibly. In fear for life or limb? I don't think so.

I don't mean to minimize the unpleasantness for the victim. I don't mean (even a tiny bit) to apologize for this creep's behavior. I just question if this rises to an adequate threat to pull a gun on someone, as the event is described in the article. I like to think I would have confronted verbally before elevating the situation.

I agree with you on this one. If all he was doing was flashing, there is no threat to your life there.

Pointing and laughing while calling 911 would probably have gotten the job done.

No gun for me. Especially one carried so stupidly.

Baikal49 wrote:

Fukshot wrote:Well, he was masturbating and told her she was welcome to watch. I would find that threatening, but not pull a gun and send the dogs after him threatening.

Welcome to watch without more is not deadly force responsive. Its just can invite you can reject, right?

I'd say it is more than an invite that can be rejected. Presenting his genitals and stroking them before making the invite also crosses the line of consent and is something quite serious ethically and in the eyes of the law. That don't make it worthy of a bullet in the head (in the eyes of the law) and that seems to me the standard for drawing and aiming.

It all depends on how the local obscenity law is written. Generally touching your genitals, male or female, is obscenity. Standing there, not touching but inviting to watch may not be depending on how the statute is written.

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ya know, something about this just isn't passing the smell test.

"Just had a 'feeling'" Had time to load the weapon and chamber a round in while turning her child's head away? Commanded the dog to give chase and actually corner the perv only to let him go? First the perv is sitting and asks her to approach, later in the story he approaches her aggressively...like she hung around a while?

if this thing really happened, these two incompetents were made for each other.

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Three words: Norwegian Buhund Hound

Not a big dog, but a friendly Akita-look alike (small spitzer, 18" or so at the shoulder) might give someone with exposed junk a moment of pause.

http://dogtime.com/dog-breeds/norwegian-buhund

I vote for armed and ready, gun in hand, then a call to 911. Don't shoot the pervert, just make sure he understands you can. His move.

I always heard "throw it back" was the appropriate response to a flasher.

If she felt that he was going to sexually assault her, then of course the gun should make an appearance, but short of physical harm, it would seem like an unequal counter of force to the infraction. Which, in turn, justifies stringent and difficult-to-overcome requirements to getting a ccw permit.

Then again, I didn't see his junk, so maybe she had something to be seriously afraid of, besides losing her lunch.

"Hmm. Says she had to put the magazine in the gun and then cock it."

Well afterall, he did 'cock' it first!

paul