http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/jan/31 ... ed-robber/

Ok, so a crook in a town somewhere called Eureka held up a convenience store twice, and the second time he used a Mosin-Nagant as his holdup weapon.

I think that the gun is specifically a M38. It's hard to to tell from the picture, but it's short for a 91/30, and it does not have the bayonet.

OhioTry wrote:http://lostcoastoutpost.com/2012/jan/31 ... ed-robber/

Ok, so a crook in a town somewhere called Eureka held up a convenience store twice, and the second time he used a Mosin-Nagant as his holdup weapon.

I think that the gun is specifically a M38. It's hard to to tell from the picture, but it's short for a 91/30, and it does not have the bayonet.

I've heard of this robbery and from the way he is holding it plus the fact it doesn't appear to have a folding bayonet leads me to believe it's a 91/30 with the stock cut off

Hard to say.

It might be a regular 91/30, but the perspective might make the barrel look shorter.

He's holding it left handed. I guess that will work OK, but it would be harder to work the bolt.

I wonder what happened to the 1911 he used in the earlier robberies.

In any case, a strong young man like that should be doing honest work.

Which, in the CA north coast, usually means marijuana farming.

Adding, he should take that Mosin up into the hills. Somebody will hire him to guard their patch.

Whadda ya wanna bet he either burgled a house or stole them from a relative? There's a pretty good chance the theft hasn't been discovered yet. That's a bad thing about having guns but never using them.

Or, he may have inherited Grandpa's collection and Granny has no idea of what her precious grandbrat is doing with it.

I shall now scourge myself for thinking ill of the tyke.

Edit: DAMN! I just noticed he's actually indexing with the pistol while using the gangsta grip.

I'd bet he borrowed the 1911 to get enough money to buy a gun and then wound up with the Mosin.

He doesn't know how to hold either gun. I wonder whether he's ever fired either.

He's a lefty.

Lefties pull the stock to the upper sternum, and their face and neck in line with the recoil? I don't think so.

The comments make me laugh.
On a serious note, he looks like he really doesn't know how to use either weapon.

Serious question (meaning I don't know the answer):

If you are a store clerk, would you rather be held up by (a) someone who obviously knows how to use the gun, or (b) someone who doesn't?

Actually, as I think about it, my answer would be (a) under most circumstances -- less chance of shooting me by accident.

However, if I was foolish enough to try to engage him with my own firearm, then (b).

How can anyone who owns a 91/30 think that's a 91/30? That barrel is about 20 inches, not 29 (28 and 3/4).

There are 5 Mosins with a barrel that short.

1) M1907
2) M38
3) M91/38
4) M44
5) M91/59

Front sight is not a blade, ergo not an M1907
No bayonet, not an M44
Short length rear sight leaf (not full length), not an M91/59

That least either an M38 or an M91/38. Normally the quick way of determining the difference is to look for Czech markings. If there are Czech markings, it'a M91/38. Obviously we can't see that in the photo.

So the only thing we have to go on is the front sight. Judging from the distance of the front sight to the muzzle, it looks to be an M38. Which makes me cry. Not as much as an M91/38 (those are very uncommon), but this makes me cry nonetheless.

At least it wasn't an M24.

The M38 is still pretty rare though. It's hard to see a rifle like that used in a crime.

Here is the image in question:
I still think it might be a m91/30, with perspective compressing the perceived length of the barrel.

Security cams presumably use a wide angle lens, too, which would compress the distance perception (right, photographers?).

Another question: Did he saw the butt off the thing?

I don't think it's a misuse, but it's lame.

This is a misuse of a Mosin.



CDFingers

larrymod wrote:Here is the image in question:

crook_with_mosin.jpg

I still think it might be a m91/30, with perspective compressing the perceived length of the barrel.

Security cams presumably use a wide angle lens, too, which would compress the distance perception (right, photographers?).

Another question: Did he saw the butt off the thing?

You have it backwards. Wide angle lens makes distance seem greater. It's a narrow angle that compresses distance.

Think of a wide angle mirror on your car. What does it say? "Objects may be closer than they appear". Wide angle makes the distance seem greater than it really is.

That's a short barrel, and that means it is most likely an M38 in apparently amazing condition.

Don't believe me? Look at the rear sight leaf in comparison to the chamber length (the part covered by the bolt). Both are same perspective. The rear sight leaf is considerably shorter; a fraction of the length. In any full length Mosin, the rear sight leaf is actually longer than the chamber (the part that is open when the bolt is back).

As for the butt, I'm guessing it's under his armpit.

larrymod wrote:

crook_with_mosin.jpg

Did he saw the butt off the thing?

No doubt about that at all. That alone should be a felony. Maiming a classic firearm in the First Degree (with sentencing enhancement for doing so for criminal purposes). Ten years hard labor cleaning .22 brass with a Q-Tip, rations of Brussels sprouts and water. While listening to Barry Manilow and BeeGees emotional misery songs. Wearing tweed undergarments.

Apparently, seeing the images have turned all of the commenters on that website into FPS Russia...

"HOW DARE STUPID AMERICAN CHILD USE GLORIOUS SOVIET WEAPON FOR PETTY ROBERRY? IS RIFLE WITH LEGACY OF WAR, NOT FOOLISHNESS. TO USE RIFLE FOR IDIOT IDEA MAKE SERGEI MOSIN ROLL IN GRAVE. ALL OF RUSSIA DISAPPOINTED IN WASTED YOUTH."

Have nice day.

If that nimwit had taken that M38 to a gun show instead he would have made an easy $500. In that condition? Oh yeah. Instead what did he get? $50? $100?

At second glace at the picture, it appears that he must have sawed off the butt afterall.

DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!

Wurble wrote: At second glace at the picture, it appears that he must have sawed off the butt afterall.

DEATH PENALTY!!!!!!

I'll second that. What a fucktard. I not only lament the loss of a very nice rifle but feel for the poor sod that this scumwad stole it from.

Whether sawed off or under his armpit, if he had fired an M38 holding it like that, well, ow! The recoil would either make the barrel pop him in the face/mouth (goodbye teeth) or the bolt lever would catch him right in the sternum. Either way, it would be an "assailant neutralized" situation.