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Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:45 pm
by mark
http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/2012/07/t ... udent.html

Clearly the blogger, and most of the posters, are unfamiliar with guns and, as one admits, afraid of them. But if a student would have done that to me I would have thought he was a little less than stable too.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:55 am
by JJR1971
mark wrote:http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/2012/07/t ... udent.html

Clearly the blogger, and most of the posters, are unfamiliar with guns and, as one admits, afraid of them. But if a student would have done that to me I would have thought he was a little less than stable too.
First rule of Carry Club is like Fight Club; you do NOT talk about Carry Club ;-)

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 7:59 am
by SenileDavid
mark wrote:http://zenoferox.blogspot.com/2012/07/t ... udent.html

Clearly the blogger, and most of the posters, are unfamiliar with guns and, as one admits, afraid of them. But if a student would have done that to me I would have thought he was a little less than stable too.
Sounds to me like a heap of bullshit and a bit too scripted. Anyone with a CHL knows that's it's illegal to brandish his/her weapon. PERIOD. For him to walk up to the prof and say: "I've got a concealed-carry permit and you can rest easy. I've got your back.” sounds far fetched... unless the guy was a total idiot. :rolleyes:

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:17 am
by MtnMan
SenileDavid wrote:Anyone with a CHL knows that's it's illegal to brandish his/her weapon. PERIOD.
Perfectly legal to open carry or display where I live. Are you referring specifically to California laws?

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:00 am
by whitey
In Virginia if you are concealed carrying and it somehow becomes visible is a no no. It'll get you a visit from the police if someone decides to call it in and it may even be a misdemeanor charge.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:06 am
by troutkiller
Creepy? No kidding. Unbelievable.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:10 am
by GuitarsandGuns
MtnMan wrote:
SenileDavid wrote:Anyone with a CHL knows that's it's illegal to brandish his/her weapon. PERIOD.
Perfectly legal to open carry or display where I live. Are you referring specifically to California laws?

In Arizona if you have a concealed permit and it shows, then you are brandishing your weapon. It's a no no.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:04 am
by rolandson
Yes, creepy. Never had that experience while teaching...nothing even close. I encountered some very stupid things to be sure, but nothing like that. I have never been one with respect for self puffery or machismo, which is the first impression that surfaced...

but pondering it a bit more I think it's possible that I would have considered something like that a threat. I simply can't imagine any circumstance where something like that would be warranted..."I got your back" almost equals "I have you in my sights". In either event, I think that if this were my student, they would not be long in my lecture.

I think that I have said before that it seems to me there are two kinds of people who carry; those who hope never to make use of a weapon and those who can't wait.

My reading on another forum suggests to me that those who make up the latter are more numerous than we would like to believe.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:18 am
by SenileDavid
MtnMan wrote:
SenileDavid wrote:Anyone with a CHL knows that's it's illegal to brandish his/her weapon. PERIOD.
Perfectly legal to open carry or display where I live. Are you referring specifically to California laws?
Its against the TEXAS Penal code.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:25 am
by ElTigre
As a college professor myself, I'd have to say extra creepy. In the post-VT world, most universities (including mine) put into place new security and information protocols to help prevent, or at least mitigate a mass shooting scenario, and we had faculty workshops on identifying and dealing with unstable/at-risk students. That said, the possibility of a violent confrontation with a disgruntled student is an ever-present reality. While the student in this scenario "had the prof's back," it implies that other students with less friendly intentions might be armed as well, and that the primary target would be the person at the front of the class. The notion that a random sample of my students could be carrying, and are subject to the lapses in judgment and maturity common in college, doesn't make me feel safer at all (and makes me consider changes in my grading standards - everybody gets an A!)

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 11:29 am
by ElTigre
In purely practical terms, if a kid did that with me, i'd interpret it as vaguely threatening, and I'd probably have to hit the security button, because, in NC, carrying on a college campus is against the law, even if you have a CCW (I think).

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:41 pm
by Baikal49
MtnMan wrote:
SenileDavid wrote:Anyone with a CHL knows that's it's illegal to brandish his/her weapon. PERIOD.
Perfectly legal to open carry or display where I live. Are you referring specifically to California laws?
It's legal to open carry here in MA, but if you do you will be arrested for disturbing the peace.

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Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2012 10:59 pm
by Wino
I mentioned brandishing in Texas in a recent web posting and was immediately sat upon by an anally challenged redneck stating Texas had no brandishing law. I replied I did not say we did, but if you brandish a weapon you will be in deep doo. I was again told that brandishing was not against the law in Texas because there was no brandishing law on the books. I told the twit to go brandish his weapon while prancing around in front of a LEO and to get back to me on the results. I know the twit responded still arguing I was wrong - I just bowed out of the conversation with my feeling reinforced that you can't fix stupid.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:07 pm
by Ara
ElTigre wrote:In purely practical terms, if a kid did that with me, i'd interpret it as vaguely threatening, and I'd probably have to hit the security button, because, in NC, carrying on a college campus is against the law, even if you have a CCW (I think).

I'm fairly certain that's true in most states, especially since CO just recently hit the news for having an explicitly carry allowed campus. Even in the event of it not being controlled at the state level, most unis have institutional regulations against the practice. It may not be illegal, but it can still you get academically sanctioned.

I know that's true of my wife's institution, and she teaches at a public uni

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2012 1:58 pm
by hagagaga
whitey wrote:In Virginia if you are concealed carrying and it somehow becomes visible is a no no. It'll get you a visit from the police if someone decides to call it in and it may even be a misdemeanor charge.
Isn't open carry legal in Virginia, though?

If more than 15 rounds are in the magazine, you must have a CCW. That's what I thought the rule was.

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Mon Sep 10, 2012 5:12 am
by Wabatuckian
ElTigre wrote:In purely practical terms, if a kid did that with me, i'd interpret it as vaguely threatening, and I'd probably have to hit the security button, because, in NC, carrying on a college campus is against the law, even if you have a CCW (I think).
Sir,
Posted: February 10, 2009
NCSU students want to pack heat on campus

Raleigh, N.C. — Some North Carolina State University students are wearing empty gun holsters on campus this week to protest a state law prohibiting them from carrying concealed weapons on campus.

"Everyone should be given a right to defend themselves no matter where they are," said Daryl Johnson, a member of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, a national group that gained attention in the wake of the massacre of 32 students on the Virginia Tech campus in April 2007.

"We are just trying to show that we are law-abiding citizens. We carry off campus, or we support carrying off campus," Johnson said.

Nearly 128,000 concealed carry permits have been issued in North Carolina since 1995, including 8,300 in Wake County, according to the State Bureau of Investigation.

About 20 members of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus are taking part in the empty holster protest this week, he said. Similar protests are expected on other college campuses in North and South Carolina and Virginia, he said.

Chief Tom Younce of the N.C. State campus police said he disagrees with the effort to pack heat on campus, but he said his officers won't interfere with the protest.

"We're a very close-knit organization, the university is. You've got about 8,000 to 9,000 students living close on campus – in dorm rooms – (and) I don't think it's a good idea (to allow concealed weapons)," Younce said.

Any changes to the rules would have to come from state lawmakers.

"I believe that the more people you see with a weapon, the more acceptable it's going to be. It's not going to have that stigma that, 'Oh my gosh, it's bad,'" Johnson said.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4512231/
The facts: Students for Concealed Carry on Campus is a student organization whose main purpose is to promote a policy change allowing for concealed firearms to be carried on campus. The only current exemptions to the restriction on firearms apply to Centennial Campus private housing, the College of Natural Resources, and the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences.
http://www.technicianonline.com/viewpoi ... -1.2699935

Any professor of mine has had an armed student in his classroom. When I was at Vincennes, two girls disappeared at separate times. They were later found murdered. I was not going to be unarmed.

You will have armed citizens in your classroom once they allow it (and they will allow it, Sir).

The only mistake of this fool in the original post was advertising it. Gun folks often assume that because they know guns, others will know them well enough to take kindly to their being armed. This is rarely the case, and it is why I carry concealed as a rule now. In Indiana, were I to carry openly, there would be no legal action taken against me, as there is no legal action provided for carrying openly here.

I simply do not want to scare the public at large... though come to think of it, the times I did carry openly years back, all was well, too. No strange looks and the pistol was ignored. Folks acted no differently toward me.

That feller said some strange things and would bear watching, I think, but most likely he just got his permit and was somewhat puffed up and proud that he did.

It's a permutation of the "Mark of Cain syndrome". Chances are he'll settle down and feel real dumb after a bit.

Josh

Re: Blog: Creepy student to prof: don't worry, I am packing

Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 8:12 pm
by begemot
hagagaga wrote:
whitey wrote:In Virginia if you are concealed carrying and it somehow becomes visible is a no no. It'll get you a visit from the police if someone decides to call it in and it may even be a misdemeanor charge.
Isn't open carry legal in Virginia, though?

If more than 15 rounds are in the magazine, you must have a CCW. That's what I thought the rule was.
There is no magazine capacity limitation for open carry in VA. A VA CHP is required if you want to conceal. There are no "printing" laws and an accidental flash from concealment may get you a police visit but does not meet the "brandishing" standard. But it is a gray area. I have heard anecdotes about the misdemeanor charge levied in some cases of careless concealment but have not seen anything documented, so I suspect it's an Internet legend and something CC instructors tell their students to emphasize the importance of proper concealment (which is not a bad thing).

Statute cited below. Annotation is mine.

§ 18.2-282. Pointing, holding, or brandishing firearm, air or gas operated weapon or object similar in appearance; penalty.

A. It shall be unlawful for any person to point, hold or brandish any firearm or any air or gas operated weapon or any object similar in appearance, whether capable of being fired or not, in such manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another or hold a firearm or any air or gas operated weapon in a public place in such a manner as to reasonably induce fear in the mind of another of being shot or injured. However, this section shall not apply to any person engaged in excusable or justifiable self-defense. Persons violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor or, if the violation occurs upon any public, private or religious elementary, middle or high school, including buildings and grounds or upon public property within 1,000 feet of such school property, he shall be guilty of a Class 6 felony.