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Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:52 pm
by gendoikari87
I hope the family of the gunman doesn't go to his funeral. They might get bombed. Glad the first responders here got a reprieve though.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 4:59 pm
by SwampGrouch
Fukshot wrote:
What do you expect when we allow our current political climate to continue? We allow these terrorists to infiltrate our military. It is even politically dangerous for our "liberal" president to declare in direct language that terrorists such as the shooter are enemies of the state to be hunted down and imprisoned. We allow this to happen and we allow the media to paint the terrorist as a "lone gunman".
We allow it to continue, yet when someone blames us for it we explain it away as "not really American" and "the acts of extremists".
We deserve their anger. I know I do.
All true, but the Sikhs doing this play right into our domestic shitbags' hands. "See, Bubba? They ARE American-hatin' Muslms!!"
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 5:01 pm
by Fukshot
SwampGrouch wrote:Fukshot wrote:
What do you expect when we allow our current political climate to continue? We allow these terrorists to infiltrate our military. It is even politically dangerous for our "liberal" president to declare in direct language that terrorists such as the shooter are enemies of the state to be hunted down and imprisoned. We allow this to happen and we allow the media to paint the terrorist as a "lone gunman".
We allow it to continue, yet when someone blames us for it we explain it away as "not really American" and "the acts of extremists".
We deserve their anger. I know I do.
All true, but the Sikhs doing this plays right into our domestic shitbags' hands. "See, Bubba? They ARE American-hatin' Muslms!!"
Their anger is justified. Our shitbags' is not.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:03 pm
by Caliman73
SwampGrouch wrote:Fukshot wrote:
What do you expect when we allow our current political climate to continue? We allow these terrorists to infiltrate our military. It is even politically dangerous for our "liberal" president to declare in direct language that terrorists such as the shooter are enemies of the state to be hunted down and imprisoned. We allow this to happen and we allow the media to paint the terrorist as a "lone gunman".
We allow it to continue, yet when someone blames us for it we explain it away as "not really American" and "the acts of extremists".
We deserve their anger. I know I do.
All true, but the Sikhs doing this play right into our domestic shitbags' hands. "See, Bubba? They ARE American-hatin' Muslms!!"
That is only true if you have a truly egocentric and jingoistic view of things. What Fukshot is saying is that we should not care what the hell Bubba thinks. Bubba is wrong and a fucking moron. Those innocent people were killed by a racist idiot in a country that tacitly approves racist ideology, and don't say that we don't because one of the MAJOR political parties, the one that has control of one of the houses of congress, and is the majority on the Supreme Court, and is mounting a close race for the Presidency; welcomes racists into its fold.
Fukshot is right. The Sikhs are not playing into anyone's hands. They are reacting with anger. Perhaps their reaction is colored by the powerful emotions, but it does not make it valid. We have a neo-nazi, white separatist, neo-confederate, and various other (patriots etc..) movements that may be small, but are actively working to undermine our society because of some idiotic notion of race and racial purity. Our media covered the Prime Minister's statement, but what was the purpose of showing the protest pictures without any kind of context. THAT is what plays into the hands of any fool who would say, "see, they do hate us". Yeah, so would I if some racist shitbag had just killed a bunch of people I know for some idea of racial supremacy.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 8:51 pm
by KlownKannon
Holy shit. Bolding is mine
In 1998, when Buschbacher was still a teenager living in Terrace Park, Ohio, a wealthy, almost exclusively white suburb of Cincinnati, he was ordained as a reverend in the World Church of the Creator, a violent neo-Nazi organization
I've spent a lot of time in Terrace Park. My last lacrosse team was the Terrace Park Bulldogs. Had no idea about this connection, though that is a an accurate description of the town.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:00 pm
by Fukshot
Caliman73 wrote:Lots of sense
Much better said than me. Thanks.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:45 pm
by begemot
Caliman73 wrote:
That is only true if you have a truly egocentric and jingoistic view of things. What Fukshot is saying is that we should not care what the hell Bubba thinks. Bubba is wrong and a fucking moron. Those innocent people were killed by a racist idiot in a country that tacitly approves racist ideology, and don't say that we don't because one of the MAJOR political parties, the one that has control of one of the houses of congress, and is the majority on the Supreme Court, and is mounting a close race for the Presidency; welcomes racists into its fold.
Fukshot is right. The Sikhs are not playing into anyone's hands. They are reacting with anger. Perhaps their reaction is colored by the powerful emotions, but it does not make it valid. We have a neo-nazi, white separatist, neo-confederate, and various other (patriots etc..) movements that may be small, but are actively working to undermine our society because of some idiotic notion of race and racial purity. Our media covered the Prime Minister's statement, but what was the purpose of showing the protest pictures without any kind of context. THAT is what plays into the hands of any fool who would say, "see, they do hate us". Yeah, so would I if some racist shitbag had just killed a bunch of people I know for some idea of racial supremacy.
Given the pattern of discrimination against Sikhs from the ignorant and intolerant, their anger is completely understandable. But from a pragmatic perspective, photos of a gang of bearded, screaming, turbaned men, impaling a flaming American flag on long, curved swords are not the most effective way to appeal to the average person, even an educated and tolerant one. And yes, I agree that the media is at fault. But perception is reality. And unfortunately, we do need to care about what Bubba thinks. Non-Bubbas are less of a problem.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:49 pm
by troutkiller
judgepacker wrote:Holy shit. Bolding is mine
In 1998, when Buschbacher was still a teenager living in Terrace Park, Ohio, a wealthy, almost exclusively white suburb of Cincinnati, he was ordained as a reverend in the World Church of the Creator, a violent neo-Nazi organization
I've spent a lot of time in Terrace Park. My last lacrosse team was the Terrace Park Bulldogs. Had no idea about this connection, though that is a an accurate description of the town.
Small world. Got a bunch of cousins that live there. It began as a Catholic suburb back when (pre-civil rights) they were redlined out of Mariemont. Nice area.
There's bad people everywhere, including the army.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 9:27 am
by the comedian
Ever since the founding of their religion, Sikhs have gotten it from all sides. Muslims attacked them for being infidels, Hindus went after them for being subversive. In response, they have developed a warrior culture, and were prized in colonial times by the British as a source of soldiers.
They don't take shit lying down. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sikhs in the U.S.A., if not allready armed will be soon.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:09 am
by ErikO
I know a few Sikhs in Chicago. They were always bugging me to get my
FOID so I could go shooting with them. Good guys.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 10:51 am
by gendoikari87
the comedian wrote:Ever since the founding of their religion, Sikhs have gotten it from all sides. Muslims attacked them for being infidels, Hindus went after them for being subversive. In response, they have developed a warrior culture, and were prized in colonial times by the British as a source of soldiers.
They don't take shit lying down. I wouldn't be surprised if the Sikhs in the U.S.A., if not allready armed will be soon.
their religious ceremonial knife they were, like, everywhere, isn't just decorative. The religion actively calls for them to help the oppressed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirpan
A Sikh must also have the courage to defend the rights of all who are wrongfully oppressed or persecuted irrespective of their colour, caste or creed.
Which may explain why the nazi's targeted them if it wasn't a case of mistaken identity. Can't have those that would protect the innocent from their oppressors.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 12:37 pm
by SwampGrouch
Caliman73 wrote:
That is only true if you have a truly egocentric and jingoistic view of things. What Fukshot is saying is that we should not care what the hell Bubba thinks. Bubba is wrong and a fucking moron.
I do not and I agree with Fukshot.
I should have been a little more verbose. I don't expect the Sikhs to react differently. I do expect to see Bubba and his friends ratchet up their bigotry which will probably result in more attacks.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 2:04 pm
by ErikO
SwampGrouch wrote:Caliman73 wrote:
That is only true if you have a truly egocentric and jingoistic view of things. What Fukshot is saying is that we should not care what the hell Bubba thinks. Bubba is wrong and a fucking moron.
I do not and I agree with Fukshot.
I should have been a little more verbose. I don't expect the Sikhs to react differently. I do expect to see Bubba and his friends ratchet up their bigotry which will probably result in more attacks.
I've known enough Sihks to put my money on them.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 3:31 pm
by TheHunterOfSkulls
Sikhs burning American flags isn't going to make people hate them any more than LGBT folks are hated more for having Pride events. And I fully understand their frustration; the feds spend millions of dollars to entrap idiots and losers into phony "terrorist plots" but scumbags like this one, McVeigh, Krar, Rudolph, Kopp and too many others to mention somehow slip through the cracks. And ain't it funny how all the people they entrap are either not white or are politically left-of-center...
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 4:54 pm
by gendoikari87
Of course all threats to the power structure must be dealt with and pacification is never an option because the state is always right
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:35 pm
by Sonofagun
He was being tracked "along with thousands of others" but in this case sinse 2000. My question is if he's being tracked- for what?? They didn't even try to intervene even after he recently bought the handgun he used in this incident. Why didn't they intervene? And if not, why track? WTF- God Damn It!
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:37 pm
by Sonofagun
Then there's these fucking idiots...the lot of them. Blaming the firearm. Stupid fucking people! God Damn It!
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:39 pm
by SwampGrouch
Sonofagun wrote:He was being tracked "along with thousands of others" but in this case sinse 2000. My question is if he's being tracked- for what?? They didn't even try to intervene even after he recently bought the handgun he used in this incident. Why didn't they intervene? And if not, why track? WTF- God Damn It!
A broken all to hell mental health system.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:47 pm
by Fukshot
"We had a moment of silence in honor of the people who lost their lives at that sheik temple. I noted that it was a tragedy for many, many reasons. Among them are the fact that people, the sheik people, are among the most peaceable and loving individuals you can imagine, as is their faith."—Republican presidential candidate and undiluted fuckbrain Mitt Romney, at a fundraiser in Des Moines last night.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 12:53 pm
by whitey
He really said Sheikh?
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:04 pm
by Fukshot
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:28 pm
by ElTigre
Oh dear....
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:49 pm
by ErikO
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/article/ ... illed-self
The first cop on the scene shot him in the stomach and then the gunman turned his pistol on himself. The cop was shot 8 times and is already up and walking around at the hospital.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:52 pm
by Awake
The bullet proof vset worked.
Re: Sikh temple shooting.
Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:59 pm
by JayFromPA
Sonofagun wrote:He was being tracked "along with thousands of others" but in this case sinse 2000. My question is if he's being tracked- for what?? They didn't even try to intervene even after he recently bought the handgun he used in this incident. Why didn't they intervene? And if not, why track? WTF- God Damn It!
Tracked, by the SPLC:
The Southern Poverty Law Center is a nonprofit civil rights organization dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.
Founded by civil rights lawyers Morris Dees and Joseph Levin Jr. in 1971, the SPLC is internationally known for tracking and exposing the activities of hate groups.
Remember, in april ?2009? the dept of homeland security released that assessment of the risk of homegrown terror attacks from the right wing, noting that returning/discharged veterans were at higher risk of going extremist, and the right wing noise machine freaked out?
After that, DHS withdrew that assessment and - at least publicly - cut funding and personnel for tracking homegrown nutsacks. Whether they really did cut it completely or had a skeleton crew keeping the pilot light going, who knows.
