Inquisitor wrote:So, if you register, who will you vote for? Rocky or Obama?

What are your real priorities G? Slow the advance of evil or let society slip into chaos?

Pick one, you have till November.

C Save the world, Will I fail? probably, but at least it could be said I tried instead of letting the world fall to evil or chaos.

How does this gel with your gun rights NRA support wannabe position? He seems to "strongly oppose" an absolute right to gun ownership.

I ignore red herring single issues, they're there to divide and conquer. I don't let them blind me.

besides like them or not, we have the 2nd amendment and the NRA, that's enough to protect our gun rights.

and neither i'm writing in noam chomsky.

Edit: it occurs to me, you still have not offered a solution that avoids a bad situation.
Edit2: noam chomsky is a joke (although he'd be freaking awesome), i'm really writing in rocky anderson.

gendoikari87 wrote:and neither i'm writing in noam chomsky.

Edit: it occurs to me, you still have not offered a solution that avoids a bad situation.
Edit2: noam chomsky is a joke (although he'd be freaking awesome), i'm really writing in rocky anderson.

Forcing Chomsky to do more than write and talk would be epic.

I'm writing in my usual. "No Confidence"

ErikO wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:and neither i'm writing in noam chomsky.

Edit: it occurs to me, you still have not offered a solution that avoids a bad situation.
Edit2: noam chomsky is a joke (although he'd be freaking awesome), i'm really writing in rocky anderson.

Forcing Chomsky to do more than write and talk would be epic.

I'm writing in my usual. "No Confidence"

no joking, we seriously need that as an automatic option on the ballot at every election. But in the mean time I'll vote for whoever has the best chance that isn't totally bought out. this year that's rocky.

wlewisiii wrote:Ok, then give me a better word for those who would rather live in their pure fantasy worlds than do the hard work of trying to make the real world better. Voting third party is never going to help.

I wouldn't bother. But I do know a word for someone who tries the same thing over and over, and expects different results even when it is clear what they are doing doesn't work.
Crazy.

1st, it is my firm belief that our politicians our 'middle management' at best and their stance on issues, their agenda and their voice is all smoke screen for the real power in the country. Money is in control and there really isn't a damn thing we can do about it unless we can tank the whole system. "We the People" need to take over and I don't only mean or necessarily mean occupations of stock exchanges...but by taking control of the situation. To beat the rich (1% or whatever you want to call them) is to starve them. The big problem is "We the People" can't seem to have the power to govern ourselves to get this done.

Our entire economic foundation only survives on the base that we all spend all the money we make, have and can borrow. There can never be freedom to be found in a society like that. There is no such thing as supply and demand economics. All there is is a money driven society that takes all the money it can from all those who will give it up. Even the health care issue cannot be won in a single payer, socialized setting. The doctors and insurance companies are calling the shots and even if we can establish a single payer set up, the money and power with in will trump. So, instead of society investing in health care, we should invest in good health. We Americans, cannot govern ourselves to any kind of degree....we eat shit...a lot of shit, we get fat, we have consequent health problems and we want doctors to to fix us up so we can do it all over again. We bitch about oil prices but we insist on driving big vehicles as fast as we can get away with. We try to suck all we can from life...all we can then try to manipulate the system to our favor when we fall short....and it is not just the 1% that is guilty of this. It is a human weakness. We all do it. Money seems to be the entire 'thesis' of humanity. If this is true, then what does it matter if we all die in a Nuclear Holocaust? We have become a shitty worthless species. Politics cannot fix that.

So, I think we should bust the system from within. Drive an economy vehicle, no more than you need to. Eat as healthy as you can. We would only need enough doctors to fix up our broken bodies after accidents. Other health issues will be less frequent. Buy no more than you have to. Find happiness in a simple life. The markets, corporations and all the big money that drives this 'militant, hyper consumerist' life will fold. No politician can help us. "We the People" have to do this. I lost my job 6 months ago. I learned very fast that I can live on damn little money. We can all live on damn little money. Such low spending would tank the system in no time.

my .02

Probably most people would think this is a psycho outlook on life. I am more and more believing that we should look to other alternatives than politics to fix life's problems.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Inquisitor wrote:So, if you register, who will you vote for? Rocky or Obama?

What are your real priorities G? Slow the advance of evil or let society slip into chaos?

Pick one, you have till November.

C Save the world, Will I fail? probably, but at least it could be said I tried instead of letting the world fall to evil or chaos.

How does this gel with your gun rights NRA support wannabe position? He seems to "strongly oppose" an absolute right to gun ownership.

I ignore red herring single issues, they're there to divide and conquer. I don't let them blind me.

besides like them or not, we have the 2nd amendment and the NRA, that's enough to protect our gun rights.

Thats a contradiction. Both in this thread and the other. The NRA IS Romney. Wayne IS fing insane.

My current solution? Vote for the "lesser evil" since it's the only thing likely to actually work. It works for me because I actually like the guy.

Inquisitor wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Inquisitor wrote:So, if you register, who will you vote for? Rocky or Obama?

What are your real priorities G? Slow the advance of evil or let society slip into chaos?

Pick one, you have till November.

C Save the world, Will I fail? probably, but at least it could be said I tried instead of letting the world fall to evil or chaos.

How does this gel with your gun rights NRA support wannabe position? He seems to "strongly oppose" an absolute right to gun ownership.

I ignore red herring single issues, they're there to divide and conquer. I don't let them blind me.

besides like them or not, we have the 2nd amendment and the NRA, that's enough to protect our gun rights.

Thats a contradiction. Both in this thread and the other. The NRA IS Romney. Wayne IS fing insane.

My current solution? Vote for the "lesser evil" since it's the only thing likely to actually work. It works for me because I actually like the guy.

1. President romeny doesn't scare me any more than does president obama
2. Wayne is the only one with the power to protect the 2nd amendment from the nutjobs in the brady campaign, even if he himself is Fing insane.
3. Your solution is one that will end up fucking people over in 30 or 40 years time.

A vote for Rocky is a wasted vote.

It galls me to be a part of the problem but I am sure i won't change.

The lesser evil it is as it has been and as it shall be, amen.

paul

gendoikari87 wrote: 1. President romeny doesn't scare me any more than does president obama

That's not courage. That's privilege.

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote: 1. President romeny doesn't scare me any more than does president obama

That's not courage. That's privilege.

It's not courage it's not privilege it's long term planning.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote: 1. President romeny doesn't scare me any more than does president obama

That's not courage. That's privilege.

It's not courage it's not privilege it's long term planning.

Standing on others' necks is part of the ingenious plan that you're so proud of, yet you can't make half an argument for a mechanism of success. You think it's acceptable to sacrifice the suffering of others for your goals that might eventually work out maybe.

That's some honorable shit right there. Well played.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote: 1. President romeny doesn't scare me any more than does president obama

That's not courage. That's privilege.

It's not courage it's not privilege it's long term planning.

You know once you have a job and your own house and have to buy your own food and wash your clothes your self you will see things a little differently.

Fukshot wrote: Standing on others' necks is part of the ingenious plan that you're so proud of, yet you can't make half an argument for a mechanism of success. You think it's acceptable to sacrifice the suffering of others for your goals that might eventually work out maybe.

That's some honorable shit right there. Well played.

Cowering in the corner while innocent people are bombed off the face of the map for no good reason is more noble how? Oh right because they're brown, not like you, and half a world away.

eelj wrote: You know once you have a job and your own house and have to buy your own food and wash your clothes your self you will see things a little differently.

Straw man, I do pay for my own food, I pay half the house note for my parents and I do my own damn laundry. Also when I start teaching I'll be paying the whole house note until it's paid off.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Fukshot wrote: Standing on others' necks is part of the ingenious plan that you're so proud of, yet you can't make half an argument for a mechanism of success. You think it's acceptable to sacrifice the suffering of others for your goals that might eventually work out maybe.

That's some honorable shit right there. Well played.

Cowering in the corner while innocent people are bombed off the face of the map for no good reason is more noble how? Oh right because they're brown, not like you, and half a world away.

Oh, what does your grand plan do for those people?

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:

Fukshot wrote: Standing on others' necks is part of the ingenious plan that you're so proud of, yet you can't make half an argument for a mechanism of success. You think it's acceptable to sacrifice the suffering of others for your goals that might eventually work out maybe.

That's some honorable shit right there. Well played.

Cowering in the corner while innocent people are bombed off the face of the map for no good reason is more noble how? Oh right because they're brown, not like you, and half a world away.

Oh, what does your grand plan do for those people?

gives them the capacity to decide their own future. and in the mean time, none of them die because of it.

wlewisiii wrote:Voting third party is never going to help.

That's not entirely true. If a third party gets a significant number of votes in a general election, it qualifies for public funding for the next election cycle.

wfaulk wrote:

wlewisiii wrote:Voting third party is never going to help.

That's not entirely true. If a third party gets a significant number of votes in a general election, it qualifies for public funding for the next election cycle.

Damn, did not know that, that means that we could be out of this mess in 4-6 years if people would bind behind rocky and voice that they want money out of politics. And yet people still won't because "romney is the big bad wolf that will kill homosexuals, enslave black and hispanic people and......" You get the point.

gendoikari87 wrote:Damn, did not know that, that means that we could be out of this mess in 4-6 years if people would bind behind rocky and voice that they want money out of politics.

Not really. The Reform party had it in 1996 and 2000. Didn't do them much good. Of course, it didn't help that Perot was a flake.

wfaulk wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote:Damn, did not know that, that means that we could be out of this mess in 4-6 years if people would bind behind rocky and voice that they want money out of politics.

Not really. The Reform party had it in 1996 and 2000. Didn't do them much good. Of course, it didn't help that Perot was a flake.

But it's still a good or at least better shot at saving a sinking ship instead of going down with it. I'd say that's a good enough deal.

gendoikari87 wrote: gives them the capacity to decide their own future. and in the mean time, none of them die because of it.

How does voting for Rocky do that?

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote: gives them the capacity to decide their own future. and in the mean time, none of them die because of it.

How does voting for Rocky do that?

Money out of politics. Or if you were talking about the brown people, well rocky's less likely to bomb the shit out of them.

gendoikari87 wrote:

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote: gives them the capacity to decide their own future. and in the mean time, none of them die because of it.

How does voting for Rocky do that?

Money out of politics. Or if you were talking about the brown people, well rocky's less likely to bomb the shit out of them.

You're answering the question "Why would it be better if Rocky were president?" not the one I'm asking which is "How does voting for Rocky make the problem of bombing people off the face of the earth any better?"

Fukshot wrote: You're answering the question "Why would it be better if Rocky were president?" not the one I'm asking which is "How does voting for Rocky make the problem of bombing people off the face of the earth any better?"

How is that not obvious. Rocky wouldn't do something like that. Or rather he's not beholden to business interests and so is less likely to do something like that, and also with the american people having THEIR voting power back, their will will be done more and THEY as a majority don't support the slaughter of innocent civillians. FURTHERMORE, with the power back in the hands of the people we can educate our children better so the number that DO support endless wars and the killiing of innocent civilians goes way down. and as a side effect bigotry will go down further and homophobia and racism will begin to dry up as those biggots get confined to a smaller and smaller segment of the population simply due to better education.

Is that what you were looking for. It means reclamation of our democracy, less homophobia, less racism, less war and better education. Does that sound good?