So ClassicLiberal, What you have espoused, especially the meaness and seeming lack of compassion. I can get from a Libertarian or Tea Party site.
I suggest that you may have, in spite of your great computer skills that you misspelled Libertarian as Liberal. It's a different thing.
Here ya go.
http://libertariangunclub.com
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52As long as it doesn't infringe upon my rights. It's existence is to protect the people, not molest them.Fukshot wrote:So, constitutional scholar, if it isn't for solving any of our problems, what exactly is it for?ClassicLiberal wrote: Government means forcing everyone to participate, not just those that want to.
If you are for supporting the U S Constitution, you should not advocate government as a solution to any of our problems.
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53How's this for a typical liberal...this is what I read, " we don't like your opinion around here, so in this instance, the 1st amendment does not apply and you should just go away."GuitarsandGuns wrote:So ClassicLiberal, What you have espoused, especially the meaness and seeming lack of compassion. I can get from a Libertarian or Tea Party site.
I suggest that you may have, in spite of your great computer skills that you misspelled Libertarian as Liberal. It's a different thing.
Here ya go.
http://libertariangunclub.com
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54You're going to argue with math? read it again: For every job available, there are 6 applicants. How to you pull full unemployment out of that? Even if you finally get a job; five more people are still looking. How far down the road can you kick that can?ClassicLiberal wrote:Not quite, I believe it is somewhere in the middle.Aztex999 wrote:Here's the difference between Republicans and everyone else:
When they hear that for every job opening, there are 6 applicants, a Republican figures that if you're unemployed, you must not have applied for 6 jobs yet.
Everyone else realizes that 5 out of 6 people will never find a job until things change.
Even with unemployment near 10%, if someone wants a job, they can get one, but must do so by accepting less than they are otherwise accustomed to receiving for compensation for their labor. But, they can most certainly find work if they really want to.
And try competing for a job in your field when you're 58 and everyone's only hiring recent college graduates.
Yes, I finally found a job after three years of unemployment. Even though I have a degree in Landscape Architecture, over 30 years experience; and spent years designing world-class golf courses - I now sell gutters for a living. Glad to know everything's rosy again.
And I was on food stamps for a few months. I always pointed out the absurdity of being able to purchase a case of Twinkies; but not a bar of soap or laundry detergent. The fact is, a line has to be drawn somewhere, and the easiest line is "If it goes in your mouth and out your ass, it qualifies." And if you're going to regulate what food poor people can eat, how long before it applies to everyone? Or, as with all things in life - will we always have different rules for rich and poor?
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there - George Harrison
Don't go where the road don't go - Ringo Starr
Don't go where the road don't go - Ringo Starr
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55That's not even a little bit of an answer.ClassicLiberal wrote:As long as it doesn't infringe upon my rights. It's existence is to protect the people, not molest them.Fukshot wrote:So, constitutional scholar, if it isn't for solving any of our problems, what exactly is it for?ClassicLiberal wrote: Government means forcing everyone to participate, not just those that want to.
If you are for supporting the U S Constitution, you should not advocate government as a solution to any of our problems.
By what mechanisms should government "protect" your "rights"? Which rights are worth protecting and for whom? Should I be forced to pay for the protection of your rights? Is that an infringement on my rights?
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56That's a baseless accusation. Were did you read that? No one is making you go away.ClassicLiberal wrote:How's this for a typical liberal...this is what I read, " we don't like your opinion around here, so in this instance, the 1st amendment does not apply and you should just go away."GuitarsandGuns wrote:So ClassicLiberal, What you have espoused, especially the meaness and seeming lack of compassion. I can get from a Libertarian or Tea Party site.
I suggest that you may have, in spite of your great computer skills that you misspelled Libertarian as Liberal. It's a different thing.
Here ya go.
http://libertariangunclub.com
You come in and immediately start arguments and start pissing on every Liberal idea in it.
Your first post in this thread was to criticize Xela's parents.
Read these rules and try to follow them.
The following are not allowed.
Calling yourself a Liberal doesn't make you one.Invidiousness
Repeatedly spewing hateful, resentful comments; or comments intended to cause animosity.
Trolling
Making comments intended only to disrupt the board by provoking regular members of the board into an emotional response. These are usually aggressive new board members who don't like the board and are intent on disrupting it for their pleasure.
Concern trolling
A particularly annoying form of trolling in which someone falsely pretends to be offering advice to favor a position they do not endorse; a creationist who masquerades as someone concerned about the arguments for evolution as an excuse to make criticisms. They like the challenge, the controversy and the argument; so they try to get you to contradict yourself or make unsupportable claims so they can call you on it, while still making it seem that maybe they are just trying to understand.
Let's hear some of your liberal ideology then. Educate us poor ignorant slobs.
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57When you go to a national park, they tell you not to feed the wildlife because it then makes them dependent and more likely attack campgrounds for food.
Why they haven't figured that out with those on welfare?
Why they haven't figured that out with those on welfare?
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58This is an empty gesture but I sincerely wish you well. I hope things get better for you.Aztex999 wrote:Yes, I finally found a job after three years of unemployment. Even though I have a degree in Landscape Architecture, over 30 years experience; and spent years designing world-class golf courses - I now sell gutters for a living. Glad to know everything's rosy again.
This makes me sick. It's too sad.
59Ok, you user name bought you a couple hours.
I am about an hour from banning you for being yet another right wing concern troll.
Liberal is not what I hear when you post.
I hear republican talking points like "personal responsibility" and "get a job"
Convince me.
I am about an hour from banning you for being yet another right wing concern troll.
Liberal is not what I hear when you post.
I hear republican talking points like "personal responsibility" and "get a job"
Convince me.
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60Because the poor aren't wildlife, they're people. Exactly what ecosystem should "those people" be confined to?ClassicLiberal wrote:When you go to a national park, they tell you not to feed the wildlife because it then makes them dependent and more likely attack campgrounds for food.
Why they haven't figured that out with those on welfare?
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61The distinction between liberals and conservatives is most often found in the heart...or rather, a distinction between heart and wallet.
Ours is a philosophy dedicated to the elevation of the human condition for all of us, not just a select few. A "ClassicLiberal" would know that, a troll would know it too and seek to exploit it.
We are a group who has no objection to a good philosophical argument, but terribly intolerant of those who seek to incite discord and the like.
I am having trouble at the moment figuring out what side of that line you fall on...perhaps you would care to enlighten me?
Ours is a philosophy dedicated to the elevation of the human condition for all of us, not just a select few. A "ClassicLiberal" would know that, a troll would know it too and seek to exploit it.
We are a group who has no objection to a good philosophical argument, but terribly intolerant of those who seek to incite discord and the like.
I am having trouble at the moment figuring out what side of that line you fall on...perhaps you would care to enlighten me?
“People want leadership, and in the absence of genuine leadership they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone.”Aaron Sorkin/Michael J Fox The American President
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
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62If I am unwelcome for my opinions, then enjoy your preaching to the choir style forum.Inquisitor wrote:Ok, you user name bought you a couple hours.
I am about an hour from banning you for being yet another right wing concern troll.
Liberal is not what I hear when you post.
I hear republican talking points like "personal responsibility" and "get a job"
Convince me.
I am not a republican, but a Classic Liberal. It is most Libertarian in today's terms.
If my style of thought is unwelcome, ban me. I had never heard of a forum that certain viewpoints were not welcome.
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63Opinions are not unwelcome, the tea party line is. We are already aware of it. If you have something intelligent to add to a conversation, please do. If on the other hand, you merely wish to regurgitate the tea party talking points from Bachmann's last speech. please don't.ClassicLiberal wrote:
If I am unwelcome for my opinions, then enjoy your preaching to the choir style forum.
I am not a republican, but a Classic Liberal. It is most Libertarian in today's terms.
If my style of thought is unwelcome, ban me. I had never heard of a forum that certain viewpoints were not welcome.
“People want leadership, and in the absence of genuine leadership they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone.”Aaron Sorkin/Michael J Fox The American President
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
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64I am an individual with individual thought. I follow no one political member nor spew their talking points.rolandson wrote:Opinions are not unwelcome, the tea party line is. We are already aware of it. If you have something intelligent to add to a conversation, please do. If on the other hand, you merely wish to regurgitate the tea party talking points from Bachmann's last speech. please don't.ClassicLiberal wrote:
If I am unwelcome for my opinions, then enjoy your preaching to the choir style forum.
I am not a republican, but a Classic Liberal. It is most Libertarian in today's terms.
If my style of thought is unwelcome, ban me. I had never heard of a forum that certain viewpoints were not welcome.
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65Your voiced lack of compassion is just mean.ClassicLiberal wrote:I am not a republican, but a Classic Liberal. It is most Libertarian in today's terms.
If my style of thought is unwelcome, ban me. I had never heard of a forum that certain viewpoints were not welcome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_liberalism
I get it. We are not the Classic Liberals. some of us might be.Core principles
According to E. K. Hunt, classical liberals made four assumptions about human nature: People were "egoistic, coldly calculating, essentially inert and atomistic".[15] In addition, people were motivated solely by pain and pleasure. Being calculating, they made decisions intended to maximise pleasure and minimise pain. If there were no opportunity to increase pleasure or reduce pain, they would become inert. Therefore, the only motivation for labour was either the possibility of great reward or fear of hunger. This belief led classical liberal politicians to pass the Poor Law Amendment Act 1834, which limited the provision of social assistance. On the other hand, classical liberals believed that men of higher rank were motivated by ambition. Seeing society as atomistic, they believed that society was no more than the sum of its individual members. These views departed from earlier views of society as a family and, therefore, greater than the sum of its members.[16]
Classical liberals agreed with Thomas Hobbes that government had been created by individuals to protect themselves from one another. They thought that individuals should be free to pursue their self-interest without control or restraint by society. Individuals should be free to obtain work from the highest-paying employers, while the profit motive would ensure that products that people desired were produced at prices they would pay. In a free market, both labour and capital would receive the greatest possible reward, while production would be organised efficiently to meet consumer demand.[17]
Adopting Thomas Malthus's population theory, they saw poor urban conditions as inevitable, as they believed population growth would outstrip food production; and they considered that to be desirable, as starvation would help limit population growth. They opposed any income or wealth redistribution, which they believed would be dissipated by the lowest orders.[18]
Government, as explained by Adam Smith, had only three functions: protection against foreign invaders, protection of citizens from wrongs committed against them by other citizens, and building and maintaining public institutions and public works that the private sector could not profitably provide. Classical liberals extended protection of the country to protection of overseas markets through armed intervention. Protection of individuals against wrongs normally meant protection of private property and enforcement of contracts and the suppression of trade unions and the Chartist movement. Public works included a stable currency, standard weights and measures, and support of roads, canals, harbors, railways, and postal and other communications services
You're good with starvation. I hear it doesn't hurt so much.
You are not going to change many minds to your ideology in this forum.
So tell us more about your firearms? What do you like?
Let us bleeding hearts try to have our little thread about the people we ACTUALLY KNOW
Because you came in with a shitstorm. It's now all about you and not her.
Happy now?
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66well dude, in 21 posts you have drawn the attention and ire of 4 of this forum's moderators for regurgitating the tea party line nearly verbatim. if you indeed are not the true believer you are making yourself out to be, then I suggest that you practice some of that individual thought and exercise some individuality in your writing skills as well.ClassicLiberal wrote: I am an individual with individual thought. I follow no one political member nor spew their talking points.
“People want leadership, and in the absence of genuine leadership they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone.”Aaron Sorkin/Michael J Fox The American President
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
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67
What are you going to do to help her? I've got enough problems to deal with at the moment to deal with anyone else's problems. I should get my own house in order before I think about helping others.
This makes me sick. It's too sad.
68Then you don't spend much time on other gun forums.ClassicLiberal wrote:If I am unwelcome for my opinions, then enjoy your preaching to the choir style forum.Inquisitor wrote:Ok, you user name bought you a couple hours.
I am about an hour from banning you for being yet another right wing concern troll.
Liberal is not what I hear when you post.
I hear republican talking points like "personal responsibility" and "get a job"
Convince me.
I am not a republican, but a Classic Liberal. It is most Libertarian in today's terms.
If my style of thought is unwelcome, ban me. I had never heard of a forum that certain viewpoints were not welcome.
Pretending to be something you are not will get you "silence"
Maybe, instead of wading hip deep you should have read some forum threads and see how we deal with people as a general rule.
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69I follow no silly tea party...rolandson wrote:well dude, in 21 posts you have drawn the attention and ire of 4 of this forum's moderators for regurgitating the tea party line nearly verbatim. if you indeed are not the true believer you are making yourself out to be, then I suggest that you practice some of that individual thought and exercise some individuality in your writing skills as well.ClassicLiberal wrote: I am an individual with individual thought. I follow no one political member nor spew their talking points.
If anything, I follow and support the US Constitution and the bill of rights.
I am a huge supporter of Thomas Hobbes and John Locke's ideas.
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70So you think her plight is funny? You disgust me. Classic Liberals are the rightest of the Right Wing.ClassicLiberal wrote:
What are you going to do to help her? I've got enough problems to deal with at the moment to deal with anyone else's problems. I should get my own house in order before I think about helping others.
They just stole the name Liberal.
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71Look at history, silly. Today's progressives stole it.GuitarsandGuns wrote:So you think her plight is funny? You disgust me. Classic Liberals are the rightest of the Right Wing.ClassicLiberal wrote:
What are you going to do to help her? I've got enough problems to deal with at the moment to deal with anyone else's problems. I should get my own house in order before I think about helping others.
They just stole the name Liberal.
No, I'm for..."you can do whatever you want to do with your life, so long as it does not infringe upon me."
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72Nothing empty about that - thanks for the good thoughts.GuitarsandGuns wrote: This is an empty gesture but I sincerely wish you well. I hope things get better for you.
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there - George Harrison
Don't go where the road don't go - Ringo Starr
Don't go where the road don't go - Ringo Starr
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73and we are of the mind: From each according to their ability and to each according to their need...ClassicLiberal wrote:Look at history, silly. Today's progressives stole it.GuitarsandGuns wrote:So you think her plight is funny? You disgust me. Classic Liberals are the rightest of the Right Wing.ClassicLiberal wrote::lol:
What are you going to do to help her? I've got enough problems to deal with at the moment to deal with anyone else's problems. I should get my own house in order before I think about helping others.
They just stole the name Liberal.
No, I'm for..."you can do whatever you want to do with your life, so long as it does not infringe upon me."
It is my considered opinion sir, that you probably won't like us very much.
Tell me though, just in passing...do you happen partake of any shooting? You know, archery or firearms?
“People want leadership, and in the absence of genuine leadership they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone.”Aaron Sorkin/Michael J Fox The American President
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...
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74Yet you dodge my questions about your understanding of and views on those things. Are you a coward hiding behind the names of books and authors you don't actually understand? Is that also how your interest in guns works?ClassicLiberal wrote:If anything, I follow and support the US Constitution and the bill of rights.
I am a huge supporter of Thomas Hobbes and John Locke's ideas.
This place isn't an echo chamber. This is a place where people with ideas rooted in an understanding of the world and a desire to make the world a better place discuss things, like adults, with reason and fact.
I have a feeling that you won't stick around, not because you aren't "liberal" enough, but because you simply aren't smart enough to do more here than troll. I expect you'll flounce or get banned and then whine to someone about how we are a bunch of elitist sissy liberal whatevers, because we don't think naming an idea is equal to stating an idea.
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75I enjoy good adult conversation with those with altered viewpoints on different issues. I find disscussing topics with like minded individuals boring at times.rolandson wrote:ClassicLiberal wrote:Look at history, silly. Today's progressives stole it.GuitarsandGuns wrote:
So you think her plight is funny? You disgust me. Classic Liberals are the rightest of the Right Wing.
They just stole the name Liberal.
No, I'm for..."you can do whatever you want to do with your life, so long as it does not infringe upon me."and we are of the mind: From each according to their ability and to each according to their need...
It is my considered opinion sir, that you probably won't like us very much.
Tell me though, just in passing...do you happen partake of any shooting? You know, archery or firearms?
I very much enjoy the Mosin Nagant line of rifles. I particularly like the M44, due to the amazing fireballs it can produce.
