And they'd still live out of their car. Except now, they wouldn't be eligible for any assistance because they have a minuscule revenue stream.

I guess the single mom could just put the kid in the car while she worked...

Little bit of a Sophie's choice, don't ya think?

Its not "all about" personal responsibility. I will grant that that will take you a long way, it's taken me a long way, but I had help, I had levers and springboards. I had student loans, I had a safety net of family, and I had a whole lot of stubborn.

These things are necessary in combination. Flipping burgers at McDonald's is not a safety net.

Working for fast food for an income could at least cover the costs of a cheap place to stay and basic food needs. Local churches are great resources on daycare that will work with low income families.
Perhaps even a second fast food job might tip one over the edge and actually be able to afford a cell phone and an occasional movie.

eelj wrote:

ClassicLiberal wrote:I've rarely ever gone into a fast food restaurant that was not accepting applications. It's a question I have asked for some time, just to see if jobs are available.

Its not that simple, are you advocating that some people are only fit to flip burgers? Once you start there you will not have much of a chance to do anything else like get an education and raise your children, especially if you happen to be a single mother. Flipping burgers and doing paper routes should be jobs for students and teenagers.

a guy I know started flipping burgers in high school,moved up through the ranks and by the time he was 26 he was making 65,000$ a year and managing 4 stores,last I heard he was going to buy his very own franchise and give that a whirl,not a bad living for a guy with a c average in school and no college,I don't know where you come from but where I come from a jobs a job and if I lost mine flipping bugers wouldn't be an option,no fast food joints here but I would be working at a pig or dairy farm,I could get a job in less than a 1/2 hour after losing mine,not my dream job but an income nonetheless,I live simple and within my means,

a guy I know started flipping burgers in high school,moved up through the ranks and by the time he was 26 he was making 65,000$ a year and managing 4 stores,last I heard he was going to buy his very own franchise and give that a whirl,not a bad living for a guy with a c average in school and no college,I don't know where you come from but where I come from a jobs a job and if I lost mine flipping bugers wouldn't be an option,no fast food joints here but I would be working at a pig or dairy farm,I could get a job in less than a 1/2 hour after losing mine,not my dream job but an income nonetheless,I live simple and within my means,

I guess you agree with me then, those jobs should be for students and teenagers, you know people living at home with mom and dad.

ClassicLiberal wrote:Working for fast food for an income could at least cover the costs of a cheap place to stay and basic food needs.

Not where I live. It won't even keep you from being homeless.

eelj wrote:

a guy I know started flipping burgers in high school,moved up through the ranks and by the time he was 26 he was making 65,000$ a year and managing 4 stores,last I heard he was going to buy his very own franchise and give that a whirl,not a bad living for a guy with a c average in school and no college,I don't know where you come from but where I come from a jobs a job and if I lost mine flipping bugers wouldn't be an option,no fast food joints here but I would be working at a pig or dairy farm,I could get a job in less than a 1/2 hour after losing mine,not my dream job but an income nonetheless,I live simple and within my means,

I guess you agree with me then, those jobs should be for students and teenagers, you know people living at home with mom and dad.

yea it could be a good re start for someone as well though,I wouldn't be opposed to doing it though,in fact I have ,I delivered pizza off and on through my life as a second job but yea,I agree with ya somewhat

My mother would be the classic example of the American pulled my self up by my boots straps story, she was the oldest of 4 children with an immigrant father and a mother who slaved on a family farm. She had average grades in high school but with the help of teachers and mentors and the support of family and friends she managed to get a degree in music education at the U of M at the height of the great depression. The only thing that stood in the way of that title was her resistance to it. She went on to a very successful career in education and volunteer work in her field and was instrumental in getting scholorships for many inner city youth to many different music camps and schools till the day she died. She was honored with a large side bar write up in the Star and Tribune news paper along with her obit when she died in 2005. She always gave the credit to the people she was LUCKY enough to have helping her. One person can just luck out in life but another only gets the shit sandwich, I don't mind my taxes going to help people out because for every welfare cheat there are many more who are just trying to get ahead.

ClassicLiberal wrote:From what I got is she spent too much time volunteering when she needed to get her butt to McDonald's and flip burgers for a living.

Thank you for reading the article.

Here is the McDonalds application for a job.
It requires you to have a street address.
They do not hire homeless people.

http://www.mcstate.com/careers/apply_on ... ,en,17207/

ClassicLiberal wrote:

Aztex999 wrote:Here's the difference between Republicans and everyone else:

When they hear that for every job opening, there are 6 applicants, a Republican figures that if you're unemployed, you must not have applied for 6 jobs yet.

Everyone else realizes that 5 out of 6 people will never find a job until things change.

Not quite, I believe it is somewhere in the middle.

Even with unemployment near 10%, if someone wants a job, they can get one, but must do so by accepting less than they are otherwise accustomed to receiving for compensation for their labor. But, they can most certainly find work if they really want to.

So what you're saying is that you are not completely cold-hearted, but that you still don't understand math. That's what I'm getting from this post and your others.

Getting a job by lowering your standards is sensible advice sometimes, but 10% unemployment means that when you get the job, you just managed to not be one of the 10%. All you seem to be saying in this post and others is that because you can imagine not being in that 10%, or imagine a way you think would successfully keep you out of it, therefore anyone who is in that 10% is lazy/ stupid/unwilling to sacrifice/deserves it.

When unemployment is 10%, 10% of people will be unemployed. Your ability to keep yourself out of that 10% is not reason to blame that 10% for their lot.

GuitarsandGuns wrote:

ClassicLiberal wrote:From what I got is she spent too much time volunteering when she needed to get her butt to McDonald's and flip burgers for a living.

Thank you for reading the article.

Here is the McDonalds application for a job.
It requires you to have a street address.
They do not hire homeless people.

http://www.mcstate.com/careers/apply_on ... ,en,17207/

There are missions and others that will provide temporary residence to assist those in need.

We are all on the internet.
We are not on welfare.
Some of us have been.

To every person who can afford to be on this forum that says of a homeless person "Just get a job at McDonalds."

Get homeless. Then get that McDonalds job. If you don't have the strength to climb into a dumpster for food, how are you going to flip burgers?

Please try to stop seeing the world through what seems like a tea party liberal's eyes.

Or otherwise known as the easiest setting in the game of life

http://www.theliberalgunclub.com/phpBB3 ... =1&t=13217

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ClassicLiberal wrote:There are missions and others that will provide temporary residence to assist those in need.

Not for me there aren't. There aren't enough and I think the idea of assuming that a "mission" is the solution is fucking disgusting. Which "mission" do you mean? Which one that is well-funded isn't taking our money (in the form of gov't funding) and using it to coerce the needy in to listening to their evangelizing and withholding food and shelter from those who live outside of whatever faith they are pushing?

You live in a fucking fantasy land.

ClassicLiberal, so where do/did you work and how did you get started in your profession? education background? helping hands?

Fukshot wrote:

ClassicLiberal wrote:

Aztex999 wrote:Here's the difference between Republicans and everyone else:

When they hear that for every job opening, there are 6 applicants, a Republican figures that if you're unemployed, you must not have applied for 6 jobs yet.

Everyone else realizes that 5 out of 6 people will never find a job until things change.

Not quite, I believe it is somewhere in the middle.

Even with unemployment near 10%, if someone wants a job, they can get one, but must do so by accepting less than they are otherwise accustomed to receiving for compensation for their labor. But, they can most certainly find work if they really want to.

So what you're saying is that you are not completely cold-hearted, but that you still don't understand math. That's what I'm getting from this post and your others.

Getting a job by lowering your standards is sensible advice sometimes, but 10% unemployment means that when you get the job, you just managed to not be one of the 10%. All you seem to be saying in this post and others is that because you can imagine not being in that 10%, or imagine a way you think would successfully keep you out of it, therefore anyone who is in that 10% is lazy/ stupid/unwilling to sacrifice/deserves it.

When unemployment is 10%, 10% of people will be unemployed. Your ability to keep yourself out of that 10% is not reason to blame that 10% for their lot.

I was unemployed earlier last year. I was part of the statistic. Since I found a job, I am no longer part of the 10%. So, by my going from unemployed to employed proves that simply because one is part of the 10%, getting a good job is not impossible.
And, the job I got was over a $20k raise from what I previously made.

Fukshot wrote:

ClassicLiberal wrote:There are missions and others that will provide temporary residence to assist those in need.

Not for me there aren't. There aren't enough and I think the idea of assuming that a "mission" is the solution is fucking disgusting. Which "mission" do you mean? Which one that is well-funded isn't taking our money (in the form of gov't funding) and using it to coerce the needy in to listening to their evangelizing and withholding food and shelter from those who live outside of whatever faith they are pushing?

You live in a fucking fantasy land.

Wheeler mission in Indianapolis does none of what you claim.

ClassicLiberal wrote:I was unemployed earlier last year. I was part of the statistic. Since I found a job, I am no longer part of the 10%. So, by my going from unemployed to employed proves that simply because one is part of the 10%, getting a good job is not impossible.
And, the job I got was over a $20k raise from what I previously made.

Right, so the fact that 10% of people are still part of that 10% is their fault for not just trying harder? The fact that you got a job proves what exactly?

Wheeler Mission in Indianapolis? That's great. We can just put every homeless queer kid in the country on a bus to Indianapolis. That's solved the problem completely! How could I have been so stupid? Also, bus tickets are free right?

ClassicLiberal wrote: I was unemployed earlier last year. I was part of the statistic. Since I found a job, I am no longer part of the 10%. So, by my going from unemployed to employed proves that simply because one is part of the 10%, getting a good job is not impossible.
And, the job I got was over a $20k raise from what I previously made.

and what do you do?
where do you work?
how long did you work at your previous jobs?
how did you get your job?

what is the secret to your success?

inquiring minds want to know

Wildvine wrote:ClassicLiberal, so where do/did you work and how did you get started in your profession? education background? helping hands?

I work in IT.
I started learning computers from Jr. High school forward (nearly 30 years ago). Self taught far more than any public education could attempt to touch. After leaping from job to job, eventually find a few that also pay for classes on various systems.
I have no college or current professional certifications, but am earning just as much as my fellow engineers that do have degrees and certifications.

Fukshot wrote:

ClassicLiberal wrote:I was unemployed earlier last year. I was part of the statistic. Since I found a job, I am no longer part of the 10%. So, by my going from unemployed to employed proves that simply because one is part of the 10%, getting a good job is not impossible.
And, the job I got was over a $20k raise from what I previously made.

Right, so the fact that 10% of people are still part of that 10% is their fault for not just trying harder? The fact that you got a job proves what exactly?

It proves that jobs are available, if someone wants to get a job, they can certainly do so.

Wheeler Mission in Indianapolis? That's great. We can just put every homeless queer kid in the country on a bus to Indianapolis. That's solved the problem completely! How could I have been so stupid? Also, bus tickets are free right?

Wheeler mission isn't the only one that provides basic shelter and food. No need to ship homeless homosexuals my way, some of these types of organizations are spread out nationwide.

I really don't see what their sexual practice has to do with anything. Why were "queers" selectively chosen? Please explain.

ClassicLiberal wrote: It proves that jobs are available, if someone wants to get a job, they can certainly do so.

Yeah. Math is hard.

Wheeler mission isn't the only one that provides basic shelter and food. No need to ship homeless homosexuals my way, some of these types of organizations are spread out nationwide.

How many is some? How many meals? How many beds? Are there enough? Are they in the right places? Sounds like we could all band together for the common good and make sure that these needs are met. You know what we could call this great national organizing system for providing this kind of releif? Government.

ClassicLiberal wrote:

Wildvine wrote:ClassicLiberal, so where do/did you work and how did you get started in your profession? education background? helping hands?

I work in IT.
I started learning computers from Jr. High school forward (nearly 30 years ago). Self taught far more than any public education could attempt to touch. After leaping from job to job, eventually find a few that also pay for classes on various systems.
I have no college or current professional certifications, but am earning just as much as my fellow engineers that do have degrees and certifications.

interesting my 64 year old friend who worked in IT for oh let's say 40 years, 15 of them as a DBA, is UNABLE to find work. why? he didn't job hop but he is is OLD
most diligent employee I ever had

you are lucky. you had the fortune to be near computers at the right time; most schools didn't have computers back then

I worked in IT over 25 years. I wouldn't hire people who went 'leaping from job to job' . why train them if they are just going to leave.

so what is the secret to your success of continued employment?

and why do you assume that because you were hired after unemployment others can be? you at least have some skills. And why were you unemployed?

This could be my daughter. This could be your mom.

If y'all want to be hardass, I'd like to give some of that LUCK and PRIVILEGE you've been smokin' to her.

Fukshot wrote:

ClassicLiberal wrote: It proves that jobs are available, if someone wants to get a job, they can certainly do so.

Yeah. Math is hard.

Wheeler mission isn't the only one that provides basic shelter and food. No need to ship homeless homosexuals my way, some of these types of organizations are spread out nationwide.

How many is some? How many meals? How many beds? Are there enough? Are they in the right places? Sounds like we could all band together for the common good and make sure that these needs are met. You know what we could call this great national organizing system for providing this kind of releif? Government.

Government means forcing everyone to participate, not just those that want to.
If you are for supporting the U S Constitution, you should not advocate government as a solution to any of our problems.
There are plenty of compassionate people and organizations that have in history, always taken care of those less fortunate.

ClassicLiberal wrote: Government means forcing everyone to participate, not just those that want to.
If you are for supporting the U S Constitution, you should not advocate government as a solution to any of our problems.

So, constitutional scholar, if it isn't for solving any of our problems, what exactly is it for?

so Classic, no social security and medicare for you, eh?

with your job history you will have no problem in retirement