larrymod wrote:Yes, part of the Rethug reaction is knee jerk opposition to anything proposed by the other party.

But the other factor is that the Republican Party (in fact both parties) have moved dramatically to the right in just the past few years.

So while Romney could propose this in MA a few years ago, no Republican governor would do so today, even in a relatively liberal New England or West Coast state. He/she would be crucified by the rabid right-wing of the party.

Why has U.S. politics shifted so dramatically to the right in the past 2-3 decades? I have plenty of ideas about that, but it should probably be a topic for another thread.

I'd be interested in hearing those ideas.

I am in favor of the plan, but I guess I'm one of those that think it would be better off in the states hands. The federal government is such a mess, and so deep in debt, that I just don't trust the Feds to do anything anymore.

Progurt wrote:The alternative was a public option or national health care putting them out of business for good.

Tell that to France.

France has a perfectly thriving private healthcare industry. It supplements their universal healthcare. Everyone is on the public plan, but there are private plans which offer additional coverage for those who can afford it and choose to. Such things include coverage for nannies, private hospitals which offer speedier service for elective procedures and nicer accommodations, etc. In France, the optional health insurance is not necessary, but many opt to get varying degrees of additional coverage to fill in the gaps that the universal coverage doesn't.

The belief of the health insurance industry in America was that public option would put them out of business.

Progurt wrote:The belief of the health insurance industry in America was that public option would put them out of business.

No. That's what they CLAIMED. The reality is that they would have to radically change their business model: they'd have to actually compete, and they wouldn't make anywhere near as much money.

Wurble wrote: No. That's what they CLAIMED. The reality is that they would have to radically change their business model: they'd have to actually compete, and they wouldn't make anywhere near as much money.

Ding!

Though, I'd be tickled to see the industry crumble and disappear. Would love to dismantle the auto insurance industry too.

I refuse to use "Obamacare". If I don't call it by its real name, I call it "Romneycare".

Romney isn't a conservastive.

He is just playing one for his political base.

A lot of the ACA was originally proposed by conservatives, going all the way back to Nixon. Republicans don't like it because it's Obama's. They don't like anything Obama says, does, eats, or wears. They don't like the air he breathes or the ground he walks on. He is a black man, and in the eyes of those now influencing what's left of the Republican party, a black man should not be President.
I've spent the last three and a half years trying my best to not come to this conclusion. Avoiding the race card. Hoping that surely we are beyond this as a country. I've decided finally. We aren't beyond it. Racial hatred drives the irrational very PERSONAL dislike of Obama that is evident everywhere. Healthcare is the big target. To shoot it down is to finish off Obama.

Cabrito wrote:A lot of the ACA was originally proposed by conservatives, going all the way back to Nixon. Republicans don't like it because it's Obama's. They don't like anything Obama says, does, eats, or wears. They don't like the air he breathes or the ground he walks on. He is a black man, and in the eyes of those now influencing what's left of the Republican party, a black man should not be President.
I've spent the last three and a half years trying my best to not come to this conclusion. Avoiding the race card. Hoping that surely we are beyond this as a country. I've decided finally. We aren't beyond it. Racial hatred drives the irrational very PERSONAL dislike of Obama that is evident everywhere. Healthcare is the big target. To shoot it down is to finish off Obama.

Unfortunately I have to agree. All (and there are many) the hard nosed conservatives I know really don't like black people, mexicans or gays. Their hatred of Obama is deep & bitter and they really don't want minorities voting. As far as they are concerned, they don't care what parts of the constitution they trample on because the ends justify's the means.

CrabbyAzz wrote: All (and there are many) the hard nosed conservatives I know really don't like black people, mexicans or gays. Their hatred of Obama is deep & bitter and they really don't want minorities voting. As far as they are concerned, they don't care what parts of the constitution they trample on because the ends justify's the means.

To the forum from Redneckistan (Apache Junction) Arizona! Are you in AZ? A few of us are.

If you head over to general discussion and post an introduction we can get to know you.

We don't have a new member section.............yet?

And both are worthless considering what we need is National Health Care.

At least they may be a step on the path.

One can only hope.