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Re: A stranger among douchebags

26 by gendoikari87
Fukshot wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
What does everyone think? Am I too much the California Lesbian touchy-feely-punkrock-hippie?
Punkrock? Ew. girls let me introduce you to something known as Powermetal!
:lol:


my neighbor


Not that pop crap you think is punkrock.
Ah, my apologies then, \../ On then. \../ \../
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

27 by ErikO
Fukshot wrote:
gendoikari87 wrote:
What does everyone think? Am I too much the California Lesbian touchy-feely-punkrock-hippie?
Punkrock? Ew. girls let me introduce you to something known as Powermetal!
:lol:



my neighbor



Not that pop crap you think is punkrock.

PRE-Hank BF was good.
In a bacon, egg and cheese sandwich the chicken and cow are involved while the pig is committed.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

29 by TheHunterOfSkulls
Fukshot wrote:Thanks guys. I know many of us have culture war stories because we are liberals who have interests in areas that are dominated by people many of us feel are a grave threat to our world.

I haven't told my own stories here because my life is such that my stories are about being visibly queer in the world and I don't shy away from telling those in dribs and drabs elsewhere on this forum. I often tell those stories when I am angry about something being argued.

I think lots of us here argue with great passion both because we care deeply and because many cary anger and frustration from our dealings with the rest of the world. Maybe it does us some good as a group to tell these stories more completely. I'll try to tell more of mine soon. I don't feel like I have the writing juice to do it right now, but something started this discussion (judgepacker, mostly) and it suddenly felt important to me that we not lose that spark.
This. So much this. I found my way here because I got sick and tired of the insults, the attempts to dig up internet dirt on me, the over-interest in my and my family's life, the thinly-veiled threats and the political purges on that other forum I used to be on. I prefer the company of people who see honesty as something to be respected instead. There's no pressure here for me to pretend I'm something I'm not or to conceal things about myself. I know I could meet you good folks out there in the world and not feel like I've exposed myself to personal danger or feel like I need to take a day-long shower afterwards. I feel a solidarity with you all that I never had at that other place. It's a nice difference.
What does everyone think? Am I too much the California Lesbian touchy-feely-punkrock-hippie?
Don't you dare ever change, you wonderful, beautiful-minded person. Also, I think you might be contagious with that or something.
My official title is Doctor Mister Hunter Of Skullyness. Don't ask me, ask Fukshot.

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Re: A stranger among douchebags

30 by CrazyWolf
Fukshot wrote:..Judge then related an experience at a gun range where a bunch of orthodox Jews were excited to learn that judgepacker is a member of the tribe...
Wait, that makes *how* many of us on here?

Fukshot, only make the changes you want to. (I was going to say "never change", but positive changes are, well, a good thing, and I don't know you well enough to with certainty say you're perfect, whatever that is.)

The most isolation I've felt within a community so far has been at my ultra-liberal college. I think I can count on my fingers how many people I met there who thought positively about the average citizen having easy access to firearms/their 2nd Amendment rights. Some of the forums I go on, well, they tend to have a more conservative or "libertarian" slant, they try to keep politics out of it but there's a bit of inherent infiltration when it comes to disaster preparedness with a zombie theme of the "just one protagonist and his supporting actors kicking ass against the entire sucky world" idea that seems popular with the Ayn Rand crowd. They have good rules regarding politics and civility, so it's pretty damn tolerable.
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

34 by Progurt
punkinlobber wrote:They could not deal with a very polite opponent who went directly to the source and provided direct answers to their challenges. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck did not provide them with a response to the Fox news challenge.
This is because conservative ideology teaches screaming screeds, not critical thinking and the ability to logically argue a case. They don't get that there's a crucial difference between somebody telling you that your position makes sense, and actually having a position that makes sense.
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

35 by JinxRemoving
rolandson wrote:Since when does the right claim dominion over the second amendment? Or, perhaps more accurately, since when did the liberal perspective abdicate dominion of the second?

I absolutely reject the concept that I am a stranger to any facet of the bill of rights. When confronted by an ignorant mind over the perceived oxymoron of an armed liberal I am likely to observe that a group of armed liberals created the bill of rights.
Lot of great quotes and sentiments in this thread, but this might be my favorite so far.
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

36 by JinxRemoving
punkinlobber wrote:Hopefully this might answer Fukshot's request.

I used to work as a bush pilot connecting Anchorage to several coastal villages around the Cook Inlet and interior villages in the Matsu Valley. Many of the people I had to deal with were screaming hard core right of center. I had to face many Joe Miller and Sarah Palin supporters who when they found that I was a dyed in the wool liberal would challenge me at every level.

My first action was to spend a dollar and get a small soft cover book that contained both the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution. Most of my antagonists were deeply chagrined when I whipped out the little book and showed them precisely where in the Constitution I got my ideas. Their second regret came when I would hand them the little book and ask them to show me where they got their ideas.

They could not deal with a very polite opponent who went directly to the source and provided direct answers to their challenges. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck did not provide them with a response to the Fox news challenge. They became lost and would respond by raising their voices and calling me a communist. This in turn would make my boss approach me in private and tell me to quit antagonizing the passengers. Oh yeah, they still wanted to fly with me since I had mastered every small runway regardless of conditions in our service area.

I try to keep most of my politics to myself in predominately conservative areas. When challenged, I never duck, I never run, I present my beliefs as clear and as respectfully as possible and I am always polite.

Fuck them.
I tried to do that in a political discussion on a local gun board, and I got a plethora of insulting and degrading comments, negative points on my profile, rude private messages, and a lot of people telling me I don't understand how the world works. With my academic choices (and GPA), I kinda wanted to tell them that they are ignorant fucks and I'd school them on politics, economics, religion, history, or whatever else they'd care to discuss on any given day. But why bother speaking truth to zealots? They don't want to hear it, and after a while, your voice gets tired.
"Smell the hot rain on the street; it could be love, it could be alcohol."

Re: A stranger among douchebags

38 by ErikO
JinxRemoving wrote:
punkinlobber wrote:Hopefully this might answer Fukshot's request.

I used to work as a bush pilot connecting Anchorage to several coastal villages around the Cook Inlet and interior villages in the Matsu Valley. Many of the people I had to deal with were screaming hard core right of center. I had to face many Joe Miller and Sarah Palin supporters who when they found that I was a dyed in the wool liberal would challenge me at every level.

My first action was to spend a dollar and get a small soft cover book that contained both the Declaration of Independence and the United States Constitution. Most of my antagonists were deeply chagrined when I whipped out the little book and showed them precisely where in the Constitution I got my ideas. Their second regret came when I would hand them the little book and ask them to show me where they got their ideas.

They could not deal with a very polite opponent who went directly to the source and provided direct answers to their challenges. Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck did not provide them with a response to the Fox news challenge. They became lost and would respond by raising their voices and calling me a communist. This in turn would make my boss approach me in private and tell me to quit antagonizing the passengers. Oh yeah, they still wanted to fly with me since I had mastered every small runway regardless of conditions in our service area.

I try to keep most of my politics to myself in predominately conservative areas. When challenged, I never duck, I never run, I present my beliefs as clear and as respectfully as possible and I am always polite.

Fuck them.
I tried to do that in a political discussion on a local gun board, and I got a plethora of insulting and degrading comments, negative points on my profile, rude private messages, and a lot of people telling me I don't understand how the world works. With my academic choices (and GPA), I kinda wanted to tell them that they are ignorant fucks and I'd school them on politics, economics, religion, history, or whatever else they'd care to discuss on any given day. But why bother speaking truth to zealots? They don't want to hear it, and after a while, your voice gets tired.
That's the wall I hit on several occasions.
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

39 by bassman
spirit4earth wrote:I'm on some other forums to gather specific information and knowledge about guns, ammo, etc. I certainly chime in on some of the topics as well. There is one forum in particular where, if I say anything that is not a narrow conservative opinion, a certain member calls me a "troll". There's not much room for liberal thinking on some of those forums, even though many posters claim not to be "anti" this or that. Obama is constantly bashed and blamed for problems in this country that began way before he surfaced. I do learn a lot, though, about guns. And about deeply conservative thinking! Kind of scary! I like it here on LGC. :). Glad you're here!
And how is that any different than here? There are people here that assume they know what you are thinking and tell you to go to a different forum even though they don't have a clue what you are talking about or where you are coming from. And to top it off they say they want you to die because you don't think like them. Never seen conservatives talk about liberals like that on the other forums.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

40 by telecat
bassman wrote:
And how is that any different than here? There are people here that assume they know what you are thinking and tell you to go to a different forum even though they don't have a clue what you are talking about or where you are coming from. And to top it off they say they want you to die because you don't think like them. Never seen conservatives talk about liberals like that on the other forums.
So why don't you go hang at those fora, Cletus? Clearly, you're a conservative, here to make trouble. Why don't you have the balls to call me out by my screen name? Typical wingnut.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

41 by Fukshot
bassman wrote: There are people here that assume they know what you are thinking
That is easily remedied by telling people what you are thinking. Playing everything close to the vest leaves plenty of room for people to assume. Playing it close to the vest and dropping little bits of "I'm not a liberal" just sounds like trolling.

FYI, I see fag jokes of one variety or another at nearly every gun forum but this one. Maybe you don't think that's equivalent to the tongue-in-cheek hyperbolic statements here. Maybe you don't even notice the casual homophobia, misogyny, and dog-whistle-racism on other gun boards.

I smell a false equivalence.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

42 by telecat
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote: There are people here that assume they know what you are thinking
That is easily remedied by telling people what you are thinking. Playing everything close to the vest leaves plenty of room for people to assume. Playing it close to the vest and dropping little bits of "I'm not a liberal" just sounds like trolling.

FYI, I see fag jokes of one variety or another at nearly every gun forum but this one. Maybe you don't think that's equivalent to the tongue-in-cheek hyperbolic statements here. Maybe you don't even notice the casual homophobia, misogyny, and dog-whistle-racism on other gun boards.

I smell a false equivalence.
What do you expect from one of them?
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

43 by bassman
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote: There are people here that assume they know what you are thinking
That is easily remedied by telling people what you are thinking. Playing everything close to the vest leaves plenty of room for people to assume. Playing it close to the vest and dropping little bits of "I'm not a liberal" just sounds like trolling.

FYI, I see fag jokes of one variety or another at nearly every gun forum but this one. Maybe you don't think that's equivalent to the tongue-in-cheek hyperbolic statements here. Maybe you don't even notice the casual homophobia, misogyny, and dog-whistle-racism on other gun boards.

I smell a false equivalence.
I probably worded that wrong. I meant that by one short coment they think they know your whole life story and what you believe. I guess every forum has their fucking know-it-alls though.

I probably don't see it as much on the other boards because I hang out in sections where they don't talk politics.
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Re: A stranger among douchebags

45 by telecat
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote: I probably worded that wrong. I meant that by one short coment they think they know your whole life story and what you believe. I guess every forum has their fucking know-it-alls though.
Got anything to say about the rest of what I wrote?
Of course he doesn't, HE'S ONE OF THEM!

Re: A stranger among douchebags

46 by bassman
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote: I probably worded that wrong. I meant that by one short coment they think they know your whole life story and what you believe. I guess every forum has their fucking know-it-alls though.
Got anything to say about the rest of what I wrote?
I don't hang out in the joke sections either so I don't see the jokes you are talking about either. And personally don't tell them either.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

47 by bassman
telecat wrote:
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote: I probably worded that wrong. I meant that by one short coment they think they know your whole life story and what you believe. I guess every forum has their fucking know-it-alls though.
Got anything to say about the rest of what I wrote?
Of course he doesn't, HE'S ONE OF THEM!
The way you judge people and put them down I'm starting to think you are one of them.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

49 by bassman
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote:I don't hang out in the joke sections either so I don't see the jokes you are talking about either. And personally don't tell them either.
I'm not talking about in the joke sections. I'm also not just talking about jokes.
So what are you saying? That I'm a conservative because I don't let the Union tell me how to vote from the other thread.

Re: A stranger among douchebags

50 by Fukshot
bassman wrote:
Fukshot wrote:
bassman wrote:I don't hang out in the joke sections either so I don't see the jokes you are talking about either. And personally don't tell them either.
I'm not talking about in the joke sections. I'm also not just talking about jokes.
So what are you saying? That I'm a conservative because I don't let the Union tell me how to vote from the other thread.
lolwut? I'm asking if you recognize the casual homophobia, misogyny and dog-whistle-racism on many other gun forums. I'm also asking if you really think you see some sort of equivalent kind of thing here, whatever that would be (excluding the obviously silly hyperbolic stuff we are prone to here).
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