gendoikari87 wrote:I'm not sure the majority of them have an excuse, we are the species, after all, that landed on the fucking moon, invented speech, defined logic. We evolved empathy because it helped us survive, because we as humans are more than the sum of our abilities when we work together. so the level of conservative ignorance is inexcusable. I mean they are humans aren't they, or are they.... I can't say monkies because they even have logical reasoning abilities..... amphibians?

Until the majority of humans have visited the moon, that's an outlier and not a definer.

It always seems to boil down to the statistical anomolies driving the direction of the species for good or ill.

Some of my best friends are conservatives. Goes with the territory here in the Midwest. I enjoy their comapny generally, even the few who fondly refer to me as a "commie bastard".

Like I tell people all the time, conservatives aren't going away and liberals aren't going away. The one thing I find conservatives and liberals have in is that everyone generally thinks passing more laws is going to fix what ails us. I wonder if the conservative-liberal paradigm isn't obsolete.

troutkiller wrote: I wonder if the conservative-liberal paradigm isn't obsolete.

I think it is in US politics. So many issues have jumped from one side of the fence to the other that US "liberals" aren't consistently liberal and likewise with US "conservatives". Gun issues are one of the easiest examples of this reversal.

Fukshot wrote:

troutkiller wrote: I wonder if the conservative-liberal paradigm isn't obsolete.

I think it is in US politics. So many issues have jumped from one side of the fence to the other that US "liberals" aren't consistently liberal and likewise with US "conservatives". Gun issues are one of the easiest examples of this reversal.

I fully agree. With luck, groups like ours will continue to blur the line on RKBA.

Edit: Except on Facebook. The hate there runs VERY deep...

ErikO wrote:

Fukshot wrote:

troutkiller wrote: I wonder if the conservative-liberal paradigm isn't obsolete.

I think it is in US politics. So many issues have jumped from one side of the fence to the other that US "liberals" aren't consistently liberal and likewise with US "conservatives". Gun issues are one of the easiest examples of this reversal.

I fully agree. With luck, groups like ours will continue to blur the line on RKBA.

Edit: Except on Facebook. The hate there runs VERY deep...

Actually I meant that RKBA is a liberal position, despite the fact that "conservatives" take the liberal position on guns in US politics. We aren't blurring the line, we are moving RKBA back to the side of the line where it logically has always existed.

Fukshot wrote:

ErikO wrote:

Fukshot wrote: I think it is in US politics. So many issues have jumped from one side of the fence to the other that US "liberals" aren't consistently liberal and likewise with US "conservatives". Gun issues are one of the easiest examples of this reversal.

I fully agree. With luck, groups like ours will continue to blur the line on RKBA.

Edit: Except on Facebook. The hate there runs VERY deep...

Actually I meant that RKBA is a liberal position, despite the fact that "conservatives" take the liberal position on guns in US politics. We aren't blurring the line, we are moving RKBA back to the side of the line where it logically has always existed.

I happily stand corrected.

Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

I have tried for years. You can lead a fool to logic, but you can't make him think.
I still let no bullshit(spewed pubically in my presence) go unchallenged. I will always expose such attempted deceipt. I call them on it and, if questioned, Google up the truth on my phone.

For those looking to argue, i smile and reply in a condescending tone with, "Well, bless your heart!"

Never wrestle a pig. You will both get covered in shit and the pig likes it.

Yes, i called them a bunch of fucking pigs. With all due respect, of course...

ErikO wrote:

Fukshot wrote:

troutkiller wrote: I wonder if the conservative-liberal paradigm isn't obsolete.

I think it is in US politics. So many issues have jumped from one side of the fence to the other that US "liberals" aren't consistently liberal and likewise with US "conservatives". Gun issues are one of the easiest examples of this reversal.

I fully agree. With luck, groups like ours will continue to blur the line on RKBA.

Edit: Except on Facebook. The hate there runs VERY deep...

Saw you taking heat on the Nobama lower

goosekiller wrote:Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the pig.

I have tried for years. You can lead a fool to logic, but you can't make him think.
I still let no bullshit(spewed pubically in my presence) go unchallenged. I will always expose such attempted deceipt. I call them on it and, if questioned, Google up the truth on my phone.

For those looking to argue, i smile and reply in a condescending tone with, "Well, bless your heart!"

Never wrestle a pig. You will both get covered in shit and the pig likes it.

Yes, i called them a bunch of fucking pigs. With all due respect, of course...

I still don't like the blues.

Paladin wrote:

ErikO wrote:I fully agree. With luck, groups like ours will continue to blur the line on RKBA.

Edit: Except on Facebook. The hate there runs VERY deep...

Saw you taking heat on the Nobama lower

Yeah. I am willing to dive in on Facebook. I was almost willing to say something on the PSA Industry forum on ARFCom, but I don't want to get banned for trolling. One asshat on the AR15News.com FB page managed to get me a bit hot, guess I don't hear the 'I want to be able to hunt Liberals' thing as often as I used to. He was dumb enough to have his photo as his FB pic. Well, I do too, but I don't tend to make threats against someones well being.

For the record, I don't think that making a negative reference to a sitting or former POTUS on a firearm by a company that exists on private funds is a terribly good idea.

Paladin wrote:I still don't like the blues.

That is because you are a soul-less, hollow shell of a man.
Grow some funk, bitch.

goosekiller wrote:

Paladin wrote:I still don't like the blues.

That is because you are a soul-less, hollow shell of a man.
Grow some funk, bitch.

The Rivermen still put on the best show on ice.

goosekiller wrote:

Paladin wrote:I still don't like the blues.

That is because you are a soul-less, hollow shell of a man.
Grow some funk, bitch.

I'm suggesting that goosekiller get "Grow some funk, bitch!" as a belly tattoo in big old english lettering. I'll contribute $100 to the tattoo fund.

Fukshot wrote:

goosekiller wrote:

Paladin wrote:I still don't like the blues.

That is because you are a soul-less, hollow shell of a man.
Grow some funk, bitch.

I'm suggesting that goosekiller get "Grow some funk, bitch!" as a belly tattoo in big old english lettering. I'll contribute $100 to the tattoo fund.

I am in.

Ed, as I recall you actually met Goosekiller a couple of times.

Nobody needs to see that. Nobody!

Mason wrote:Ed, as I recall you actually met Goosekiller a couple of times.

Nobody needs to see that. Nobody!

I certainly couldn't.

as a conservative deserter what really annoyed me about some conservatives is there unwillingness to listen to any other point of view but I think everyone from every angle beats their war drum to loud from time to time.I will never hate anyone for an honest point of view that opposes mine as long as it isn't pushed down my throat and I will do the same in return.

goosekiller wrote:

Mason wrote:Ed, as I recall you actually met Goosekiller a couple of times.

Nobody needs to see that. Nobody!

I certainly couldn't.

I think I am quoting you about yourself shirtless.

Mason wrote:Ed, as I recall you actually met Goosekiller a couple of times.

Nobody needs to see that. Nobody!

I am a sadist.

SwampGrouch wrote:I don't hate true conservatives, but there are damn few of them about these days. The pseudo-cons that control the GOP and the intellectually lazy drones that think what ever Rush and Rove tell them to make me want to puke, though.

And then there's the ones that let preachers tell them how to vote.

Just like the ones that let the unions tell them how to vote, right.

bassman wrote:

SwampGrouch wrote:I don't hate true conservatives, but there are damn few of them about these days. The pseudo-cons that control the GOP and the intellectually lazy drones that think what ever Rush and Rove tell them to make me want to puke, though.

And then there's the ones that let preachers tell them how to vote.

Just like the ones that let the unions tell them how to vote, right.

Sounds like you'd be better off here: http://www.charliedanielssoapbox.com/vi ... .php?id=12

telecat wrote:

bassman wrote:

SwampGrouch wrote:I don't hate true conservatives, but there are damn few of them about these days. The pseudo-cons that control the GOP and the intellectually lazy drones that think what ever Rush and Rove tell them to make me want to puke, though.

And then there's the ones that let preachers tell them how to vote.

Just like the ones that let the unions tell them how to vote, right.

Sounds like you'd be better off here: http://www.charliedanielssoapbox.com/vi ... .php?id=12

No I'm more into blues and hard rock.

Fukshot wrote:

goosekiller wrote:

Paladin wrote:I still don't like the blues.

That is because you are a soul-less, hollow shell of a man.
Grow some funk, bitch.

I'm suggesting that goosekiller get "Grow some funk, bitch!" as a belly tattoo in big old english lettering. I'll contribute $100 to the tattoo fund.

And all this above is why I love you guys so much! Especially you Goose. I want to cuddle with you right now

bassman wrote:

SwampGrouch wrote:I don't hate true conservatives, but there are damn few of them about these days. The pseudo-cons that control the GOP and the intellectually lazy drones that think what ever Rush and Rove tell them to make me want to puke, though.

And then there's the ones that let preachers tell them how to vote.

Just like the ones that let the unions tell them how to vote, right.

Unions aren't barred by law from making political endorsements. Unions have a democratic internal structure. Unions don't threaten eternal damnation for disagreeing. False equivalence.