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gendoikari87 wrote: oh one is definitely pandering, but neither will actually do it. In fact even if romney is elected, guess what, you're going to get gay marriage in the next ten years. Might even be pushed through by Romney, as the court of public opinion is now clearly in favor. Don't let your fear cloud your judgement.

Yes. Fear is just an inconvenient weakness of those with something to fear.

A wedding ring is definitely the be all and end all of my concerns. I'll get my diamond engagement ring and a pretty white dress that costs thousands that I'll only wear once and those things will shut me up and I won't notice that I don't have the legal right to control my own body or the right not to be tossed out of my house for dykeing up my landlord's property. That's definitely who I am and you clearly have a deep understanding of all the issues at play here.

There's a difference between the character played on stage and the actor playing the character. We've learned this lesson quite well from experience with Obama.

Romney gets elected, he's not going to put homosexuals in camps, and if he does, I'll be fighting it with abundant physical violence. But he won't, and no matter how much his constituents push him to do so, he'll go with the popular opinion and they'll have to suck it up because otherwise they'll be accused of party disloyalty.

I'm a pagan and an anarchist, you don't think I'd have a lot to lose if the wacko Christian fundamentalists had their way? You don't think I'd be right there in the camps with you? What I'm saying is that you're not going to see camps based on what the fringe fundamentalists in any political base want to see; if we ever see camps, we'll see them used to house the enemies of state and corporate power. It will be for "terrorists" or other "enemies of the state".

Fukshot wrote:

gendoikari87 wrote: oh one is definitely pandering, but neither will actually do it. In fact even if romney is elected, guess what, you're going to get gay marriage in the next ten years. Might even be pushed through by Romney, as the court of public opinion is now clearly in favor. Don't let your fear cloud your judgement.

Yes. Fear is just an inconvenient weakness of those with something to fear.

A wedding ring is definitely the be all and end all of my concerns. I'll get my diamond engagement ring and a pretty white dress that costs thousands that I'll only wear once and those things will shut me up and I won't notice that I don't have the legal right to control my own body or the right not to be tossed out of my house for dykeing up my landlord's property. That's definitely who I am and you clearly have a deep understanding of all the issues at play here.

You mean like being thrown out of the military for being openly gay, yeah, Obama tried to keep that in force.

Romney gets elected, he's not going to put homosexuals in camps, and if he does, I'll be fighting it with abundant physical violence. But he won't, and no matter how much his constituents push him to do so, he'll go with the popular opinion and they'll have to suck it up because otherwise they'll be accused of party disloyalty.

hate to tell you this progurt but You'll be the first one in the camps, sitting right next to me and fuckshot. They don't send the LGBT communities until the end. but you're right there will be no camps, there will be no extended discrimination, because gay rights is getting to the same level as 2A rights in that if you touch it, you go down. The notable exception being republican primaries and extreme right wing states. The centrists and left wingers are clearly winning this fight.

Progurt wrote:Romney gets elected, he's not going to put homosexuals in camps, and if he does, I'll be fighting it with abundant physical violence. But he won't, and no matter how much his constituents push him to do so, he'll go with the popular opinion and they'll have to suck it up because otherwise they'll be accused of party disloyalty.

It isn't that I fear actual camps. It's the death by a thousand small cuts. It's one little backwards movement after another. It's every single kid who kills themself or wants to kill themself because the POTUS gives lipservice that encourages their bullies.

Fukshot wrote:

Progurt wrote:Romney gets elected, he's not going to put homosexuals in camps, and if he does, I'll be fighting it with abundant physical violence. But he won't, and no matter how much his constituents push him to do so, he'll go with the popular opinion and they'll have to suck it up because otherwise they'll be accused of party disloyalty.

It isn't that I fear actual camps. It's the death by a thousand small cuts. It's one little backwards movement after another. It's every single kid who kills themself or wants to kill themself because the POTUS gives lipservice that encourages their bullies.

And that's worse than a president that actively fought against gay rights? Even if with a smile?

Fukshot wrote:

Progurt wrote:Romney gets elected, he's not going to put homosexuals in camps, and if he does, I'll be fighting it with abundant physical violence. But he won't, and no matter how much his constituents push him to do so, he'll go with the popular opinion and they'll have to suck it up because otherwise they'll be accused of party disloyalty.

It isn't that I fear actual camps. It's the death by a thousand small cuts. It's one little backwards movement after another. It's every single kid who kills themself or wants to kill themself because the POTUS gives lipservice that encourages their bullies.

2008 Obama wrote:"I’ve stated my opposition to this. I think it’s unnecessary. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

Barack Obama: 'marriage is between a man and a woman'
But I guess it's okay now because his position has evolved.

Progurt wrote:

Fukshot wrote:

Progurt wrote:Romney gets elected, he's not going to put homosexuals in camps, and if he does, I'll be fighting it with abundant physical violence. But he won't, and no matter how much his constituents push him to do so, he'll go with the popular opinion and they'll have to suck it up because otherwise they'll be accused of party disloyalty.

It isn't that I fear actual camps. It's the death by a thousand small cuts. It's one little backwards movement after another. It's every single kid who kills themself or wants to kill themself because the POTUS gives lipservice that encourages their bullies.

2008 Obama wrote:"I’ve stated my opposition to this. I think it’s unnecessary. I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage."

and that's checkmate progurt. Actually isn't that worse that romney's position now?

No. It's identical. Word for word.

Progurt wrote:No. It's identical. Word for word.

Anyone want to take bets on romney coming out in favor of civil unions? Good money says he does just so he can say he's for gay rights to the centrists and the leftists and separates him just enough from Obama to keep the conservatives in his camp. Not to mention he's probably picked up on how the left is dissatisfied with Obama and the right just fully hates him regardless.

Oh. I see. I'm supposed to spell everything out because your time is too valuable to spend on reading anything more sophisticated than USA Today if it isn't directly related to what you have already decided is important.

Yeah checkmate. Gendo, you don't even know where half the fucking chessboard is. Also, people who think arguments over these things are to be won like a chess game are the exact sociopaths that allow this shit to continue because other people's issues don't matter unless they make a good feather for your fetching radical-look hat.

Fuckshot I can see you are clearly upset over this. That was not my intention. I am sorry. But I will leave you with this. Obama has damaged gay rights, not helped it's cause. No words of good faith can make up for intentional harm. I leave you with that on this.

Fukshot wrote:Also, people who think arguments over these things are to be won like a chess game are the exact sociopaths that allow this shit to continue because other people's issues don't matter unless they make a good feather for your fetching radical-look hat.

This is how I feel about the drone strikes. The ones that are killing people on a daily basis. It's a real thing that is actually happening to real people, right now.

OK Progurt and Gendo you've made your point.
You are not going to change anyone else's mind here.



'Nuf said.