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Is it just me, or does it seem like almost every story I read about a person shooting himself does it with a Glock?

Might appear that way but I think its the same story that was covered in an earlier post.

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Van wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/16/m ... sting-gun/

Is it just me, or does it seem like almost every story I read about a person shooting himself does it with a Glock?

It's not just you.

Van wrote:http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/16/m ... sting-gun/

Is it just me, or does it seem like almost every story I read about a person shooting himself does it with a Glock?

I think of it this way. If someone knows very little to nothing about guns they are probably going to buy a Glock. Not because they are bad pistols, but because they are so incredibly popular. If you asked someone who doesn't shoot to name the first gun they can think of I bet it would there would be a pretty good chance it would be a Glock, and some would probably even use it as a replacement word for pistol or handgun. Just like people who don't know anything about cars would see a Lamborghini, McLaren, Saleen, etc, and the first thing they would think is ooooh a what is that a Ferrari? So a person who is inexperienced in firearms is probably pretty likely to buy a Glock just for the name recognition alone.

Seems like a cop or two has also shot himself with a Glock. This yahoo didn't use a holster - waistband carry. He could "... face a misdemeanor charge for unlawfully discharging a firearm."
http://www.hometownlife.com/article/201 ... /206170364

Well, that legend keeps popping up. Since no one is going to offer hard statistics, it's all pretty much hearsay. The only group who may finally do the research would be one connected to a national law enforcement association of some type, and all the manufacturers, most notoriously Glock, spend money to influence what goes on in those organizations.

Everybody has an opinion. My opinion is SA guns work best with safeties, and putting the safety and the trigger in the same place is inviting people - who are human - to make a mistake.

In the recently published book on the Glock company by Paul Barrett, he cites a discussion he had with Massad Ayoob. Ayoob has reservations about the Glock for the simple reason that he thinks the factory trigger is just too light. That, coupled with the fact that the gun has no external safety, might be asking for trouble. He even had the 8.5 factory trigger installed on the Glocks he carries (I had the same thing installed on my G29).

However, even with the heavier trigger, he still doesn't feel entirely comfortable carrying one.

I feel the same way. I rarely carry my G29. I almost always either pack my SW 642 with the standard heavy revolver trigger (I figure in the neighborhood of 10lbs) or my Kahr CW9 which has a light but LOOOOONG DAO trigger.

I've seen plenty of "accidents" with 1911's too, i already posted a vid of that fat Texan who blew a whole in his thigh, and I have also seen a video of a guy s blew a hole in his foot, with a 1911. To me as far as Glocks, as long as you keep your finger off the trigger you'll be fine, but thats not always easy to remember for some people, and the one time you do forget is the time that you gonna have a accidental discharge.

I still dont like 1911's or any other gun with external safety's (beside grip safety like my XDM) for CCW, cause IMO, I dont think I would remember to take it off before I shoot, now granted, it doesnt take long to take the safety off, but still, not as fast as pulling out a glock or some other gun. Now, range or home defense, I think 1911's, Beretta's and all other guns are great, cause chances are, if someone breaks into your house, you are gonna have more than 60 seconds to react, usually..

I know people practice to "sweep" the safety off the 1911, and its just as fast as a Glock, but I just cant do it, and whenever I do "sweep" it I tend too put my finger on the trigger and have to readjust my grip a little (small hands), and if you want to talk about "light" trigger,.... especially higher end 1911's, some of them have 3 lbs triggers. And if I ever worried about my Glock or Xdm that much, I would have gotten a Beretta with long DO pull, like my LCP, or just carry a Glock without one in the chamber. I tried them s&w revolvers too(442 & 642) but the trigger pull is just waaay too heavy to even thing about aiming, now I'm sure you that would really matter at 5 feet or so...

Glocks do have a rep for accidental discharges. There's even a medical condition called 'Glock Leg'. Whether this is justified, I dunno. I've not seen any stats or real data.

IWB is generally considered a safe way to carry. Triggers and hammers can get accidentaly pulled in ways that are hard to forsee. If you wear a gun every day, sooner or later something unexpected will happen with it and if you are unlucky, an accidental discharge.

That said, I don't think I could live with the embarrassment. If I shot myself in the dick, I'd shoot myself a second time - in the head!

Antiquus wrote:Well, that legend keeps popping up. Since no one is going to offer hard statistics, it's all pretty much hearsay. The only group who may finally do the research would be one connected to a national law enforcement association of some type, and all the manufacturers, most notoriously Glock, spend money to influence what goes on in those organizations.

Everybody has an opinion. My opinion is SA guns work best with safeties, and putting the safety and the trigger in the same place is inviting people - who are human - to make a mistake.

I'd be very interested in stats, it may just be as many accidents with Glock as with other pistols but I doubt it. Lawsuits filed against Glock might be another source of information and they might include stats. The web has quite a few reports of LEO accidents with Glocks, just a few:

http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2011/10/2 ... f-in-foot/

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2010/10/12/ ... s-partner/

http://www.27east.com/news/article.cfm/ ... pton-range

http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/gunsafety.asp

lawsuits? i dont get it. You buy a knife at the store, accidentally cut yourself while slicing tomatoes, and what? you're gonna sue the knife company? I dont get it...
If you're worried about slicing your finger, then get a baseball bat instead.

Cole wrote:I think of it this way. If someone knows very little to nothing about guns they are probably going to buy a Glock. Not because they are bad pistols, but because they are so incredibly popular. If you asked someone who doesn't shoot to name the first gun they can think of I bet it would there would be a pretty good chance it would be a Glock, and some would probably even use it as a replacement word for pistol or handgun. Just like people who don't know anything about cars would see a Lamborghini, McLaren, Saleen, etc, and the first thing they would think is ooooh a what is that a Ferrari? So a person who is inexperienced in firearms is probably pretty likely to buy a Glock just for the name recognition alone.

Exactly. Ever notice how many new models resemble Glocks? I suspect that's more marketing than it is engineering.

Glocks simply require that the user pay strict attention to the details. Of the Glock users I know, several (all cops) have no experience with anything else. It's what they started with and trained on. Things like clearing the holster of obstructive clothing and trigger discipline come naturally and aren't treated casually.

Me, I wouldn't be comfortable without a hammer to stick my thumb behind while holstering...it's how I trained...

So yeah, it comes back to the same thing...it's the user, not the tool. Not going to treat the item, whatever it is, with the respect that it requires and it's a safe bet that problems will ensue.

EDIT:
If one can extrapolate upon the examples provided by highdesert above, I wonder...how many of the participants of these discharges had their original experience based upon non-striker fired handguns, versus those whose original training was centered on the striker versions?

Glock is simply good as it is designed for safety use.

It always comes back to trigger discipline. If you're drawing and placing your finger on the trigger, it's your own damn fault when it goes off. Plus, it has been clearly shown that a bad holster design is just as much to blame. Serpa holsters and Glocks are notorious for not working well together.

I wouldn't blame the Glock. It's about the shooter.