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GuitarsandGuns wrote:OK. Fess up. You know who you are.


Even if you came 50 years ago it never hurts to say

Xela wrote:

Zapp Brannigan wrote:

Awake wrote:My first language is not English.
I love eating 'weird' foods.
My parents were born in Bersa-land.

Whats up boludo.

ErikO wrote:

Xela wrote: Ah, Zapp beat me to it.

A Santafesina (via Perez, Rosario) told us they make good empanadas here:
http://www.argentinabakery.com/

But there is nothing like a good "asado" made at home (bife, chinchulines, chorizos, mollejas, chimichurri (NO CILANTRO!)) And of course Quilmes, or better yet, un buen vino.

Who would have thought? "Che" Awake. JAJAJAJAJA!!!!

Fuerte abrazo,

Xela

Dang, I miss the gaucho steak place in Chicago now...

I believe you may be referring to Brazilian style steak. I like both, but I lean towards Argentinian.

Xela

ErikO wrote:

Xela wrote: ...there is nothing like a good "asado" made at home (bife, chinchulines, chorizos, mollejas, chimichurri (NO CILANTRO!)) And of course Quilmes, or better yet, un buen vino.
...
Xela

Dang, I miss the gaucho steak place in Chicago now...

ErikO wrote:

Xela wrote:
I believe you may be referring to Brazilian style steak. I like both, but I lean towards Argentinian.

Xela

Nope, Argentinian.

meshugunner wrote:I arrived in the USA in 1990 at the age of 30 as an illegal immigrant. Since my wife was an American they couldn't really keep me out. I was naturalized in '85.

meshugunner wrote:I arrived in the USA in 1990 at the age of 30 as an illegal immigrant. Since my wife was an American they couldn't really keep me out. I was naturalized in '85.

GuitarsandGuns wrote:

meshugunner wrote:I arrived in the USA in 1990 at the age of 30 as an illegal immigrant. Since my wife was an American they couldn't really keep me out. I was naturalized in '85.

Cool.

I think your dates are a bit unusual. Naturalized 5 years before coming to the states? Are you also a Magician?

meshugunner wrote:
Edited: To correct spelling errors before the Anti Immigrant elements in this forum seize on them. <sniff>

Asshole Test
I think a reasonable test of whether someone is an asshole without any hope of improvement is if you sit them down and explain that:

1) People without the legal right to live and work in this country often bring their kids here with them.

2) Those kids are often quite young when they arrive. You know, babies.

3) Such kids also are undocumented.

4) In many cases they grow up not or barely speaking the language of their home countries, depending on their age and particular circumstances.

5) Given whole lack of documentation thing, most of these kids have never been to the country that their parents came from and don't know any of the family, if any, that are still there.

6) Upon becoming adults, their work and educational opportunities are complicated and limited.

If the person's response is, "they're illegal, deport them," then you know you've found an asshole.

If the person's response is, "they're illegal, deport them," then you know you've found an asshole.

Progurt wrote:

If the person's response is, "they're illegal, deport them," then you know you've found an asshole.

True that.

ErikO wrote:Deportation can happen for a myriad of reasons. Resident Aliens know this to be true. My wife gets nervous when she gets a moving violation as it could land her infront of an immigration judge.

What gets me are the folks that got their citizenship for free and are bitching about the folks that aren't able to afford to come here legally...

My mom was always amazed at the hassles we had with immigration. She married my dad in Norway, had an interview, took a test and could vote within a year of her wedding. Dad was a citizen just like I am, he was born here. Then again, this was during the cold war, he was a returning service man and Norway was a member of NATO back when that ment something. I mean, my wife came from the wilds of Kamloops, BC - an obvious hot bed of anti-US sentiment...

ErikO wrote:Deportation can happen for a myriad of reasons. Resident Aliens know this to be true. My wife gets nervous when she gets a moving violation as it could land her infront of an immigration judge.

Xela wrote:

ErikO wrote:Deportation can happen for a myriad of reasons. Resident Aliens know this to be true. My wife gets nervous when she gets a moving violation as it could land her infront of an immigration judge.

What gets me are the folks that got their citizenship for free and are bitching about the folks that aren't able to afford to come here legally...

My mom was always amazed at the hassles we had with immigration. She married my dad in Norway, had an interview, took a test and could vote within a year of her wedding. Dad was a citizen just like I am, he was born here. Then again, this was during the cold war, he was a returning service man and Norway was a member of NATO back when that ment something. I mean, my wife came from the wilds of Kamloops, BC - an obvious hot bed of anti-US sentiment...

Even naturalized American citizenship can be revoked in some (extreme) cases.

(damn you wiki, isn't there something you DON'T know?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_de ... ted_States

Xela

n 1952, during the Korean War, Benavidez enlisted in the Texas Army National Guard. In June 1955, he enlisted in the regular United States Army. He married Hilaria Coy in 1959, the year he completed his airborne training and was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg. In 1965 he was sent to South Vietnam as an advisor to an ARVN infantry regiment. He stepped on a land mine during a patrol and was evacuated to the United States, where doctors at Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC) thought he would never walk again. Despite serious injury to his spine, Benavidez walked out of the hospital in July 1966, his wife at his side.[citation needed]

Benavidez returned to Fort Bragg to begin training for the elite Studies and Observations Group (SOG). Despite continuing pain from his wounds, he became a member of the 5th Special Forces Group and returned to South Vietnam in January 1968. On May 2, 1968, a 12-man Special Forces team was surrounded by a NVA battalion. Benavidez heard the radio appeal for help and boarded a helicopter to respond. Armed only with a knife, he jumped from the helicopter carrying a medical bag and rushed to join the trapped team. Benavidez "distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely glorious actions... and because of his gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men." He was believed dead after finally being evacuated and was being zipped up in a body bag when he mustered the last of his strength and spit in the face of a medic, thereby alerting nearby medical personnel that he was still alive. (see medal citation below)

Nearly dead from a total of 37 separate bayonet, bullet and shrapnel wounds received on multiple occasions over the course of the six hour fight between the 13 men and an enemy battalion,[1] Benavidez was evacuated once again to Brooke Army Medical Center, where he eventually recovered. For his heroism, the Army awarded him the Distinguished Service Cross.

In 1973, after more detailed accounts became available, Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel Ralph R. Drake insisted that Benavidez receive the Medal of Honor. By then, however, the time limit on the medal had expired. An appeal to Congress resulted in an exemption for Benavidez, but the Army Decorations Board still denied him the Medal of Honor. The board required an eyewitness account from someone present during the action, but Benavidez thought that no others were alive who had been at the "Six Hours in Hell."[citation needed]

In 1980, however, Brian O'Connor, a radioman in the attacked Special Forces team, provided a ten-page report of the engagement. O'Connor had been severely wounded (Benavidez had believed him dead), and was evacuated to the United States before his superiors could fully debrief him. O'Connor learned that Benavidez was alive by chance. He had been living in the Fiji Islands and was on holiday in Australia when he read a newspaper account of Benavidez from an El Campo newspaper. It had been picked up by the international press and reprinted in Australia. O'Connor soon contacted his old friend and submitted his report, confirming the accounts already provided by others and providing the missing eyewitness.

On February 24, 1981, President Ronald Reagan presented Roy Benavidez the Medal of Honor. Reagan reportedly turned to the press and said: "If the story of his heroism were a movie script, you would not believe it". He then read the official award citation

lemur wrote:

ErikO wrote:Deportation can happen for a myriad of reasons. Resident Aliens know this to be true. My wife gets nervous when she gets a moving violation as it could land her infront of an immigration judge.

Hmm... the way you write this makes it sound like your wife gets moving violations on a regular basis. A moving violation does not result in deportation. I managed to get one during the naturalization process. It did cause some headaches because the officer interviewing me did not know to read the damn USCIS rules. She fucked up on multiple things actually so with or without a moving violation, she'd have given me headaches anyway. But the violation, in and of itself, is not a bar to residency or naturalization. I do not know of a case where someone was deported merely for a moving violation.

But I guess if it is an extremely frequent occurrence, then... ahem...

GuitarsandGuns wrote:Our Immigration laws are mean.
That's the problem.

The problem is we let fairness get in the way of ... kindness or even another kind of fairness.

Here is only a minor example. I have many.
I'm sure we can all find these examples.

Who let them into the country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hi ... recipients

I know this guy. He used to come to the events. We interviewed him a few times for the TV show.

He is a descendant of the founders of Benavidez, Tejas. Until we stole it. (Where's mah Flag!?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_P._Benavidez

n 1952, during the Korean War, Benavidez enlisted in the Texas Army National Guard. In June 1955, he enlisted in the regular United States Army. He married Hilaria Coy in 1959, the year he completed his airborne training and was assigned to the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg. In 1965 he was sent to South Vietnam as an advisor to an ARVN infantry regiment. He stepped on a land mine during a patrol and was evacuated to the United States, where doctors at Brooke Army Medical Center (BAMC) thought he would never walk again. Despite serious injury to his spine, Benavidez walked out of the hospital in July 1966, his wife at his side.[citation needed]

Benavidez returned to Fort Bragg to begin training for the elite Studies and Observations Group (SOG). Despite continuing pain from his wounds, he became a member of the 5th Special Forces Group and returned to South Vietnam in January 1968. On May 2, 1968, a 12-man Special Forces team was surrounded by a NVA battalion. Benavidez heard the radio appeal for help and boarded a helicopter to respond. Armed only with a knife, he jumped from the helicopter carrying a medical bag and rushed to join the trapped team. Benavidez "distinguished himself by a series of daring and extremely glorious actions... and because of his gallant choice to join voluntarily his comrades who were in critical straits, to expose himself constantly to withering enemy fire, and his refusal to be stopped despite numerous severe wounds, saved the lives of at least eight men." He was believed dead after finally being evacuated and was being zipped up in a body bag when he mustered the last of his strength and spit in the face of a medic, thereby alerting nearby medical personnel that he was still alive. (see medal citation below)

Nearly dead from a total of 37 separate bayonet, bullet and shrapnel wounds received on multiple occasions over the course of the six hour fight between the 13 men and an enemy battalion,[1] Benavidez was evacuated once again to Brooke Army Medical Center, where he eventually recovered. For his heroism, the Army awarded him the Distinguished Service Cross.

In 1973, after more detailed accounts became available, Special Forces Lieutenant Colonel Ralph R. Drake insisted that Benavidez receive the Medal of Honor. By then, however, the time limit on the medal had expired. An appeal to Congress resulted in an exemption for Benavidez, but the Army Decorations Board still denied him the Medal of Honor. The board required an eyewitness account from someone present during the action, but Benavidez thought that no others were alive who had been at the "Six Hours in Hell."[citation needed]

In 1980, however, Brian O'Connor, a radioman in the attacked Special Forces team, provided a ten-page report of the engagement. O'Connor had been severely wounded (Benavidez had believed him dead), and was evacuated to the United States before his superiors could fully debrief him. O'Connor learned that Benavidez was alive by chance. He had been living in the Fiji Islands and was on holiday in Australia when he read a newspaper account of Benavidez from an El Campo newspaper. It had been picked up by the international press and reprinted in Australia. O'Connor soon contacted his old friend and submitted his report, confirming the accounts already provided by others and providing the missing eyewitness.

On February 24, 1981, President Ronald Reagan presented Roy Benavidez the Medal of Honor. Reagan reportedly turned to the press and said: "If the story of his heroism were a movie script, you would not believe it". He then read the official award citation