Democrats start discussing a new DNC Chair.

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The Democratic Party faces existential questions after Donald Trump’s resounding victory. One of the first: Who will lead it? Democratic National Committee chairman Jaime Harrison is not expected to seek a second term, opening a job that must be filled by March 1, according to the party’s bylaws. Who takes the position will speak volumes about how the party wants to present itself going forward and what issues members believe hampered Democrats against Trump in 2024. The incoming chair will also oversee the party’s 2028 nominating process, a complex and contentious exercise that will make that person central to the next presidential election. Harrison was derided for having backed President Joe Biden even as many Democratic voters questioned whether the president should run again. He was accused after Biden’s disastrous debate performance of pushing for a virtual roll call before Biden chose to withdraw.

The early debate over Harrison’s replacement appears to be set on a clear dividing line: Do Democrats need an operative with clear skills and experience in reshaping the party’s infrastructure? Or does the party need a communicator who can respond to everything the Trump administration plans to do and can sell Democratic ideas to a public that rejected them at the ballot box? In the wake of Tuesday’s thrashing, there is a sense, at least among some of the DNC’s rank-and-file, that the committee’s 440-plus voting members may be more likely to embrace an outsider with strong ties to the party’s formal establishment. Some also would want the new chair to fill a full-time role, which would present challenges to a current officeholder. “As the party looks to the future, we must be positioned for the important work of unifying and strengthening Democrats at all levels, and holding Trump’s Republican Party accountable for the harms it will inflict on the American people,” said Rosemary Boeglin, a spokesperson for the committee. “In the coming weeks, we will lay out a process for electing a new Chair to guide us on that path forward.”
The more high-profile leaders on the minds of multiple top Democrats include Kentucky Gov. Andy Beshear, former Georgia lawmaker Stacey Abrams, New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy, former Texas Rep. Beto O’Rourke, Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg; and Martin O’Malley, the former Maryland governor and current commissioner of the Social Security Administration.
O’Rourke, said a person familiar with his thinking but granted anonymity to speak openly, is being asked to run by donors and operatives. Beshear, a 46-year-old two-term Democratic governor in a state Trump twice carried by more than 25 points, has no interest in the chairmanship, according to a person close to him granted anonymity to share internal discussions. Buttigieg, who unsuccessfully ran for chair in 2017, is not exploring a run, said a person close to the secretary granted anonymity to speak openly about his thinking. And a source close to Abrams, granted anonymity to speak openly, said she was not interested in becoming chair. Martin, who reached out to every state party chair, vice chair and executive director the day before the election, began a new round of temperature-taking phone calls on Friday.
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We'll see how much the DNC listens to Bernie who is technically an Independent, not a Democrat. However he votes with Democrats in the US Senate along with Independent Sen Angus King of Maine.
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Not to be a total downer but the DNC is *so* owned and operated by monied interests seeking more money and more power that it doesn't matter who rises to the top. I believe failure of the Republic is at hand - not tomorrow or even in the next 4 years. But the die is cast . And, no matter what or who, I don't see a way, or a plan, for America to recover itself.

I think we might slow the fall by the right selection of a ne DNC head but a fix is not going to happen.

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VodoundaVinci wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 11:10 am Not to be a total downer but the DNC is *so* owned and operated by monied interests seeking more money and more power that it doesn't matter who rises to the top. I believe failure of the Republic is at hand - not tomorrow or even in the next 4 years. But the die is cast . And, no matter what or who, I don't see a way, or a plan, for America to recover itself.

I think we might slow the fall by the right selection of a ne DNC head but a fix is not going to happen.

VooDoo
Not just the DNC but the RNC is totally bought and paid for by the monied interest and the oligarchs that control it. This election was bought and paid for by those that control the money. Musk is a prime example. He bought his way to become a US Citizen, while thousands of other people wait at the border or in cities trying to become residents and citizens of this country, just like many of the ancestors of the members of this board. He has the money to buy anything he wants including a possible place in the TOS administration so he can increase his and TOS's wealth beyond that of Midas.
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Of course the RNC is totally bought and paid for. So is the DNC. Remember what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders, twice, during The Bern's Presidential campaigns.

That's what needs to stop. The DNC needs someone who is far less corruptible than the existing crop of thieves and liars in the Inner Party.
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CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:07 pm I'm not ready to give up on the American ideal I was raised on.

"Dear, come to bed."

"Not yet. Someone on the Internet is wrong."

CDF
I admire and respect your optimism. By what Plan or course of action do you see America being "fixed" or saved that drives your optimism? I am surrounded by optimists, and some pretty smart ones. and none of them has been able to inspire me with a workable Plan whereby America survives the current momentum to Autocracy and Authoritarianism. I love hope and optimism but these are not viable plans that inspire me to the same.

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Democrats need someone like Howard Dean, the former governor of Vermont. He stirred things up at the DNC when he was chair, but he's 75 and doesn't want the job again. Democrats want to keep everyone happy, from all their neoliberal donors to their shadow party, so I don't expect major changes. Their backbone, college graduates are decreasing, but the working class are increasing and the working class are becoming more and more Republican.
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I don't blame Mr. Dean, given how they treated him in the press ("the scream heard 'round the world" and all that). I thought he was actually a decent Presidential candidate at the time that he was running. This was back when a decent person still actually had sort of a chance in the Democrat Party. I miss that particular aspect of those days.
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CowboyT wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 11:03 am Of course the RNC is totally bought and paid for. So is the DNC. Remember what the DNC did to Bernie Sanders, twice, during The Bern's Presidential campaigns.

That's what needs to stop. The DNC needs someone who is far less corruptible than the existing crop of thieves and liars in the Inner Party.
Or maybe the independents that voted repug should think about starting their own party. One that doesn't bend to neoliberalism and take money from corps. hahaha
Thats a joke. Never happen. They will succumb to corporate money. They have to to survive. The term Neoliberalism is a joke.
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CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:11 am Yeah: they had better. And that person should be young, like 35. Reject boomer politifcians for anything. It's time for them to give up the reins.

CDF
Wish we had a "like" button...

It's evident that boomers of a specific gender and complexion created this shit storm. And is equally evident that "we" are without any idea how to get us ...

out.

I am so fucking happy ...
my son and daughter-in-law are headed to Japan with eyes on NZ, my daughter and as yet unborn granddaughter are headed to Denmark, albeit with her shit of a husband but...he's a ticket into Legoland...
And I'll be dust in the wind sooner rather than later so...

What a fucking mess...!

I'm outta here.
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Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...

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The media loves controversy so they print all the supposed "chaos" among Democratic leaders post election, I don't believe it's all real. Democrats will make some cosmetic changes, but I strongly doubt that Democrats will jettison their neoliberal donors and special interest groups and go back to the days when they depended on labor unions and individual donors to keep them afloat. They've gotten used to being the party that is flush with money and sipping lattes with the rich and famous on the blue coasts.

Here's wishing you many more years Rolandson !.

It's easier relocating to another country when your spouse is a national of that country, you get all the social safety net benefits and can get citizenship much faster.
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rolandson wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:01 am
CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:11 am Yeah: they had better. And that person should be young, like 35. Reject boomer politifcians for anything. It's time for them to give up the reins.

CDF
Wish we had a "like" button...

It's evident that boomers of a specific gender and complexion created this shit storm. And is equally evident that "we" are without any idea how to get us ...

out.

What a fucking mess...!

I'm outta here.
Don’t blame all of the white Male Boomers. I just turn 73 y.o. And have been liberal most of my life. I was even able to turn my Dad of the Greatest Generation to being a liberal. I do agree about needing younger liberals in charge Also we need a mandatory retirement age limit for elected and appointed offices. Reite when you are able to draw Social Security.
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TrueTexan wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:12 am
rolandson wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:01 am
CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:11 am Yeah: they had better. And that person should be young, like 35. Reject boomer politifcians for anything. It's time for them to give up the reins.

CDF
Wish we had a "like" button...

It's evident that boomers of a specific gender and complexion created this shit storm. And is equally evident that "we" are without any idea how to get us ...

out.

What a fucking mess...!

I'm outta here.
Don’t blame all of the white Male Boomers. I just turn 73 y.o. And have been liberal most of my life. I was even able to turn my Dad of the Greatest Generation to being a liberal. I do agree about needing younger liberals in charge Also we need a mandatory retirement age limit for elected and appointed offices. Reite when you are able to draw Social Security.
Actually, term limits for members of Congress would be a superset of that. The problem is that it would take a Constitutional Amendment to do it, like we did for the Presidency, and unless we elect members of Congress *on that basis*, i. e. they must support term limits for Congress or they don't get our vote, it won't happen. It would take a lot of people to vote on that basis, but it is possible.

Were that to happen, though, the legislators of 3/4ths of the states would ratify it so that they kept their own jobs.
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TrueTexan wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 10:12 am
rolandson wrote: Thu Nov 14, 2024 3:01 am
CDFingers wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 8:11 am Yeah: they had better. And that person should be young, like 35. Reject boomer politifcians for anything. It's time for them to give up the reins.

CDF
Wish we had a "like" button...

It's evident that boomers of a specific gender and complexion created this shit storm. And is equally evident that "we" are without any idea how to get us ...

out.

What a fucking mess...!

I'm outta here.
Don’t blame all of the white Male Boomers. I just turn 73 y.o. And have been liberal most of my life. I was even able to turn my Dad of the Greatest Generation to being a liberal. I do agree about needing younger liberals in charge Also we need a mandatory retirement age limit for elected and appointed offices. Reite when you are able to draw Social Security.
In 2017 I parted ways with a fellow I'd known since 1971 over perception of how the old white mostly males were not going to save our republic. the donald had been in office only a month or so when I shared that I didn't have faith in Pelosi and Schumer, or Brown and Kotek (Oregon's then Governor and Speaker of the Oregon House...with whom we were both long time friends).

He said that he pitied me. I told him to fuck off.

He was having dinner with Kate Brown the night before she announced her COVID measures. He was by her side when federal marshals were kidnapping people off the street of downtown Portland following the murder of George Floyd...and he started thinking that complacency has its limits.

He called Monday and wondered if I was free for coffee Saturday...

I think he gets it.

We are where we are because of people like Pelosi, Brown, Schumer and Kotek...and all those other wealthy leaders of the left.

Fuck. Them.
People want leadership, and in the absence of genuine leadership they'll listen to anyone who steps up to the microphone.”Aaron Sorkin/Michael J Fox The American President
Subliterate Buffooery of the right...
Literate Ignorance of the left...

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The problem is capitalism and that money is power under capitalism. The desire for more money in the owners of mass media forced them to sane wash the statements of the orange spirochete while holding the Dems to a much much higher standard--to get better tax breaks. They need the bottom 90 percent to support the top ten percent. When the mass media is owned by such types, it's tough out here in the land of real life.

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