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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: neoliberals are not our friends. They practice a similar trickle up economics but with politically correct companies and influencers. Still of rot.

CDF
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'cause thinkin' an' drinkin' are all we have today

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SubRosa wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 12:05 pm I still say Biden should resign immediately, making Kamala 47.

During that short time, she could make things legally as hard for TOS as possible, and the added benefit that all their "47" chotchkies are now junk.

Ha!
Yes but before have trump arrested.
The country is gonna go down a shit hole anyway, might as well have a civil war now.
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CowboyT wrote: Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:55 pm
tailgunner wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 4:47 pm
CowboyT wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 10:00 am The Bern is, of course, correct, as he often is, and this Jamie Harrison clearly is an idiot. The Democrats want only my vote, not me, the person. I'm one of those many "non-White, working-class voters" that they keep talking about now, and they turned away from me a long time ago. They left me, not the other way around. I fully understand why both RFK Jr. and Tulsi Gabbard are no longer Democrats.

You Democrats are pushing me away and have been for years. You continue to push me away from you now. And you're doing this to a lot of people, as evidenced by this election's results.

That's why they--you--lost.

Want me back? Maybe you don't. If so, then prepare for more results like this last election, because there are a whole lot of CowboyT's out there just like me.

Your choice, folks.
OK Cowpoke T,
Lets here it. You keep sounding off but there ain't no meat on them bones to pick at.
What do you want from dems they haven't given black people already?

The supremes shot down Affirmative Action thanks to Trump appointees. The cut voting polls in black neighborhoods. Trump loves him some anti-black legislation.
And you think not voting dem is going to help you and your people. Ha, what a not funny joke.
C'mon, spit it out.
Figures, no comment

"Cowpoke", eh? Well, I know that we Black men do have a certain reputation for...um...prodigious length, but...that's pretty extraordinary. Thanks! :-)
Figures, no comment. I see there's another dem hater that finished his duty to get more people to NOT vote has been awol since the election. Hope the ruskies paid him well. He's been at it for a couple decades now on this forum.

And really? Mod? Cowpoke isn't a rude name. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/cowpoke Wow
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I don't see Democrats kicking the neoliberals to the curb, Democrats are too addicted to the money neoliberals provide. Harris and Democrats raised over $1 billion this cycle, she outraised Trump by nearly 5-1 among last minute big donors according to Forbes. Like the 2016 election where HRC out raised Trump, what Democrats didn't learn in 2024 was that it's not the money but the message that draws in voters.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Up to the very last days there were Trump signs going up everywhere. Trump Good Kamala Bad Trump No Crime Kamala Crime Trump Closed Borders Kamala Open Borders.
Dems have to accept corporate money or might as well just let the Maga take over forever.

Yeah sure, its the message stupid. But takes money to get the message out while Maga spends billions on lies.

Gotta call a spade a spade.
GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH - FREE SPEECH IS NOT FREE.

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Could it be that the South Korean 4B movement is already taking a toll?

You see the world through your cynical eyes
You're a troubled young man I can tell
You got it all in the palm of your hand
But your hand's wet with sweat, and your head needs a rest

double entendre?

Don't get angry with me
I never caused you no pain
I won't be angry with you
But I can't see straight (yeah)
It hasn't rained for a month, the river's run dry
We haven't made love and I wanna know why
Why you angry me?
Why you angry?

Styx and Stones...
I ordered a case of optimism from Amazon, but porch pirates beat me to it. Still, chin-up.

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The Harris campaign is trying to dig out of debt nearly a week after losing on Election Day, with much of the spending going toward digital media, advertising, polling and travel between states. According to reports, the campaign spent six figures building a set for Harris’ appearance on the “Call Her Daddy” podcast with host Alex Cooper. A source familiar with the campaign confirmed to NewsNation that the campaign is $20 million in the hole after Nov. 5, even though the campaign took in at least $1 billion and reported $118 million in the bank as of Oct. 16.

Another big-ticket item was $15 million spent on event production that went toward celebrity performances, like the election eve rally with Katy Perry, Lady Gaga and Ricky Martin. Harris also reportedly paid $1 million to Harpo Productions, which is owned by Oprah Winfrey, who did a town hall with Harris back in September and appeared at that election eve rally in Philadelphia. “It takes remarkable incompetence to spend $1 billion in 90 days, lose market share, allow Donald Trump’s election and end up in debt,” a Democratic source told NewsNation.

In some ways, the Harris campaign is still fundraising despite the loss, sending emails asking for donations. But those donations are partially being redirected toward a vote recount effort. When you click donate, that link takes you to Act Blue, and the fine print suggests the vice president’s campaign may be launching a recount effort. The fine print reads that the first $41,300/$15,000 from a person/multicandidate committee PAC will be donated to the Democratic National Committee, but the next $3,300/$5,000 would be donated to a recount account.
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/ ... ions-debt/
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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CDFingers wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:14 am I see the time coming as being good for gun owners but not so good for being liberals. The obvious response to that realization is to be an armed liberal.

CDF
Yep. I've been saying this for a long time. If Liberals are that concerned about Trump and his supporters, then the obvious next set of actions are to:

A.) become a gun owner if you're not already one (I know people here generally are),
B.) get some ammunition and preferably learn how to reload your own ammo,
C.) take a course from a good instructor on how to safely and properly use your firearm, and
D.) get to the range and practice regularly, preferably at least two times a week if you can.
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CDFingers wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 9:14 am I see the time coming as being good for gun owners but not so good for being liberals. The obvious response to that realization is to be an armed liberal.

CDF
Liberals or Democrats? We know there is a distinction but I sincerely I don't think most of Trump's America sees the distinction. If one is not a MAGA Aficionado and is not armed, I believe one has not yet smelled what America has stepped in. It's way past time to be armed and trained.

VooDoo
Tyrants disarm the people they intend to oppress. Hope is not a Plan.

Dot 'em if ya got 'em!

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I believe there should be a reckoning between classical liberals and neoliberals. The prize would be the heart of a movement on the left, but I don't hold out much hope. I think money will have a stronger pull than will ideology. But, hey. We'll have guns, a legitimate series of products on our store shelves, so we have that going for us. Plus, no Mommie in the White House to make us soil our tactical skivvies. Winning.

CDF
Cherish worthy thoughts--keep a tight grip on your booze,
'cause thinkin' an' drinkin' are all we have today

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Pollster Patrick Ruffini makes some good points.
Donald Trump made another round of historic gains with nonwhite voters, flipping Miami-Dade County red for the first time since 1988, and outright winning South Texas, a mainstay of the Democratic Party for more than a century. The gains extended to swing states, where Trump made solid gains among Puerto Ricans in Allentown, PA and Dominicans in Hazleton, PA.

Overall, the exit polls show him within 10 points among Hispanic voters, making historic gains among Asian voters, and winning almost a quarter of Black men. And he did this while continuing to build on his gains with the white working class—and also gaining pretty much everywhere else. He further eroded the Democrats’ nonwhite working class majority to the low 30s, down from 67 points when Barack Obama was running for re-election in 2012.

For the first time, the income curve was inverted: that is, the Republican nominee won more support from low-income than high-income voters. Previously that was only true among whites, but now it’s true for all voters. We are starting to see a united front of working class voters across racial lines that will go so far as to change decades of established voting patterns to vote against uncontrolled illegal immigration, lax attitudes towards crime, and liberal ideas about race and gender that make absolutely no difference to them in their day-to-day lives.

Emblematic of this shift was Starr County, Texas, a 97-percent Hispanic county I visited while reporting on the book. It went from Clinton +60 to Biden +5 to Trump +16. This was the most Democratic county in the country in 2012. If you thought 2016 and 2020 were a fluke, yesterday confirmed they were almost certainly not. The Realignment is here to stay.
https://www.patrickruffini.com/p/the-bo ... 4-election

Starr County, Texas hasn't voted Republican since 1892. There are a lot of lessons for Democrats to learn from the last 3 elections, but I'm not confident that the Democratic Party will learn anything. That doesn't bode well for the 2026 midterm and the 2028 general election, they might surprise us but I'm not hopeful.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Republicans are projected to keep control of the House of Representatives, handing the party total control of Washington with President-elect Trump back in the White House in January.

Decision Desk HQ projected the House had won its 218th seat Monday, the number needed for a majority in the lower chamber.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -majority/

CDF
Cherish worthy thoughts--keep a tight grip on your booze,
'cause thinkin' an' drinkin' are all we have today

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CDFingers wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:09 pm
Republicans are projected to keep control of the House of Representatives, handing the party total control of Washington with President-elect Trump back in the White House in January.

Decision Desk HQ projected the House had won its 218th seat Monday, the number needed for a majority in the lower chamber.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watc ... -majority/

CDF
This comes down to a mandate from the American voters. The Republican have won a trifecta. The next two years will be even more interesting than the last 4. I was concerned the Democrats would win a trifecta and disassemble the 2A (regardless of what Harris says....) but now it looks like the Republicans are temporarily in charge of the whole enchilada.
“We are ready to deliver on America’s mandate,” said Johnson.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/w ... -trump-era

VooDoo
Tyrants disarm the people they intend to oppress. Hope is not a Plan.

Dot 'em if ya got 'em!

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And Democrat Ruben Gallego beat Republican Kari Lake for the open US senate race in Arizona. Lake lost the AZ governors race and now the US senate race. Gallego thanked Republicans who voted for him. AP called the PA US senate race for Republican David McCormick but other networks haven't. AP explained why. A lot of vote splitting, a bellwether county in PA, Erie County voted for Republican Trump for president and Democrat Casey for US senate.
https://apnews.com/article/why-ap-calle ... 258a8f3ccf

AP hasn't yet called the House but they're showing Republicans at 214 and Democrats at 205 and 16 races yet to be called, a large chunk are in CA.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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AZ did a good job being purple this year. Kari Lake was genuinely Nutz-O!
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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Bisbee wrote: Tue Nov 12, 2024 1:50 pm AZ did a good job being purple this year. Kari Lake was genuinely Nutz-O!
Is that Nutz-O or Nazi-O ?
Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.-Huxley
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NBC called the US House for Republicans with 218 seats to 209 for Democrats and 8 seats remain to be called. AP hasn't called it yet, they're at 217 Republicans, 207 Democrats and 11 seats to be called. A majority in the House is 218 seats.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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AP finally called the US House for Republicans, with 218 seats for Republicans which is the bare majority, to 208 for Democrats and 9 races yet to be called. 4 of the uncalled races are in CA. Speaker Johnson already has one vacancy with Gaetz's resignation and will have two more, Elise Stefanik of NY will be Trump's UN ambassador and Mike Waltz of FL will be Trump's national security adviser, could be more.
"Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." - Daniel Patrick Moynihan

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Troubling study shows “politics can trump truth” to a surprising degree, regardless of education or analytical ability

A recent study by Stanford researchers has uncovered that people are more likely to believe and share news that aligns with their political views, regardless of whether it’s true. This “concordance-over-truth” bias was slightly stronger among supporters of Donald Trump and persisted across various education levels and reasoning abilities. Interestingly, resistance to true but politically opposing news proved stronger than susceptibility to fake but agreeable news, suggesting that political alignment often overshadows the truth in how people process information.

The findings have been published in the Journal of Experimental Psychology: General.

The researchers conducted this study to understand the extent to which political biases shape public beliefs and sharing behavior, especially during critical times like presidential elections. Recognizing that informed citizens are essential for a functioning democracy, they aimed to clarify whether people prioritize political alignment over truthfulness when processing news.

For their study, the researchers recruited 2,180 participants using the online platform Lucid from January 31 to February 17, 2020, aiming for a U.S. Census-matched sample based on gender, age, race, ethnicity, income, education, and region. After excluding 371 participants who failed attention checks or used mobile devices, a final sample of 1,808 participants remained.
https://www.psypost.org/troubling-study ... l-ability/

link to the actual study:

https://psycnet.apa.org/fulltext/2025-33892-004.html

The medium is the massage. When we have media autocrats sane washing the insane for four years in exchange for eviscerating the regulatory .gov, then we have an easy way to trick people to vote against their own insterests. So of course we should abolish the Department of Education.

CDF
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