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Heck yah! When citizens vote, Dems win!!!
"It is better to be violent, if there is violence in our hearts, than to put on the cloak of non-violence to cover impotence. There is hope for a violent man to become non-violent. There is no such hope for the impotent." -Gandhi

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tailgunner wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:49 pm
Nomadsurfer wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 6:22 pm
CDFingers wrote: Tue Nov 05, 2024 5:40 pm
Maybe I should have laid in a case of Celebration Ale rather than a mere six pack.

CDF
I’m gonna join you in the partaking when I get home from the gym…. Although I’m partial to whiskey…

We certainly can’t say it has been boring.
I think you're going to need a keg to get through January. But yeah, bourbon or Irish Whiskey is my go to but I don't carry it in the bus.
I threw an AR 556 in the bus today justin case. It's traveling with me from now to January with my 9mm pistola and many mags.
Better to have it and not need it...
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Like many of us, I’m utterly disappointed.

However, I’m not going to mope, or lose hope. I’m going to focus on my closest family and friends.

When the wheels come off in the next year, I’m not going to help anyone who voted for him.

Sorry if that’s petty, but if that’s the country they want, they need to own that
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Nomadsurfer wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:11 am Like many of us, I’m utterly disappointed.

However, I’m not going to mope, or lose hope. I’m going to focus on my closet family and friends.

When the wheels come off in the next year, I’m not going to help anyone who voted for him.

Sorry if that’s petty, but if that’s the country they want, they need to own that
I agree I say we are truly F*CKed with the congress the white house and the SCOTUS all in the hands for the Repugnant Party being run by TOS and his watch dog Vance.
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Spent the night in La-La Land after gallbladder surgery. Didn't realize the country was lost until 4 AM today. We will officially be a nation run by a criminal organization for their own self-enrichment that will drain our resources and piss on the people. The agony of defeat confounded by the inscrutable mind set of the electorate to choose such a vile person as POTUS, not once, but TWICE.
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The greatest, most aggrieved mistake EVER made by USA was electing DJT as POTUS - TWICE!!!!!

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Yeah: sorely disappointed. As gun owners, we can anticipate zero new gun laws. As liberals, we're faced again with the human equivalent of vaporware with absolute power whose administration will be run by oligarchs. What could go wrong?

In my area, my city council district flipped from red to blue. The city council appears to have flipped from red to blue, but we'll know more this afternoon. I live in a blue state whose tax monies will be funneled to red states by a white nationalist theocratic minority. What could go wrong?. Interesting times. Time to start getting ready for the pruning in the back yard, and the bonsai. I will keep busy for the next few days I expect.

Sorry to see about your surgery, Wino. Get well soon.

CDF
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Some of you, when your country called, stepped up and did the right thing. Faced with the prospect of the return to power of a man who tried to overturn an election and remain in power unlawfully and threatened to use the military against the American people, you voted in the way that was most likely to stop that from happening. I can’t put in to words how much I love and respect you. You are all standing ten feet tall. I’d buy each and every one of you a drink (na or otherwise) if I could.

Everyday is January 6th now.

We get what we deserve.
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papajim2jordan wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:25 am Looks like I picked the wrong election cycle to quit drinking.
I really should have a much worse hangover than I do. Lucky I'm on the West Coast where the number of drinking hours before the outcome was obvious is limited.

I'll bet Alito and Thomas are planning their retirement parties for late next year. We Are So Fucked.

As are:
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Latvia
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Estonia
Finland
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Poland
Phillipenes
Mongolia?
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Whelp....

I'm extremely disappointed and not at all surprised. Turns out, primaries are important to the democratic process. It remains my opinion, as unpopular as it is, Biden should never have run for a second term and Harris was a shit candidate with no original policy ideas. The Dem party is 100 percent to blame for this loss, though I'm sure they'll blame Nazis rather than take the opportunity to self reflect. So too should the media.

We lived through the first 4 years. We'll make it through the next 4.

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featureless wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:16 am Whelp....

I'm extremely disappointed and not at all surprised. Turns out, primaries are important to the democratic process. It remains my opinion, as unpopular as it is, Biden should never have run for a second term and Harris was a shit candidate with no original policy ideas. The Dem party is 100 percent to blame for this loss, though I'm sure they'll blame Nazis rather than take the opportunity to self reflect. So too should the media.

We lived through the first 4 years. We'll make it through the next 4.
Exactly my perspective. It was the Democrats election to lose and they did - Biden was a poor candidate and Harris was worse. Finally we can get on with it.

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AP still hasn't called 4 states, but Trump leads in all of them and that would bring up his electoral vote count to 312, better than he did in 2016 with 304. Trump also won the popular vote, a Republican hasn't won the popular vote since W in 2004. The states not called yet are Michigan, Arizona, Nevada and Alaska. Remember the video I posted where Harry Enten said in spite of the polls being close, there was a 60% chance that one candidate would win in a blowout and Trump did.

I watched CNN and John King showed two interesting maps, first was counties where inflation exceeded wages and Trump won many of those counties. A second showed where Trump exceeded his popular vote by 3% in 2024 over 2020, in about 1,000 counties IIRC.

Exit polling from Edison Research/National Election Pool.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr4lwlpx3wxo


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The sky isn't going to fall, we survived 2017 to 2021. The Democratic Party should take a deep look at their shadow party and the issues they pushed, they're not in step with most voters. Harris tried running away from her 2019 positions, but it wasn't believable. As I said, blame Biden and his family and advisers for not pushing him to step aside earlier, so Democrats could have had open and robust primaries as featureless said.

As I've said time and again it was a typical bread and butter presidential election, the economy, inflation, prices and immigration were top issues in poll after poll. The result really wasn't surprising.
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Buck13 wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:34 am
papajim2jordan wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 8:25 am Looks like I picked the wrong election cycle to quit drinking.
I really should have a much worse hangover than I do. Lucky I'm on the West Coast where the number of drinking hours before the outcome was obvious is limited.

I'll bet Alito and Thomas are planning their retirement parties for late next year. We Are So Fucked.

As are:
Ukraine Taiwan Latvia Lithuania Estonia Finland Moldova Poland Phillipenes Mongolia?
As for Alito and Thomas they will stay as long as they can Grifting every penny they can.

You left out Gaza .
Netanyahu Replaces Fired Israeli Defense Minister With 'Another Genocidal Lunatic'

Palestine defenders on Tuesday accused Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of swapping one "genocidal lunatic" for another after the right-wing leader fired Defense Minister Yoav Gallant and replaced him with Israel Katz, who was serving as foreign minister.

"Israel just doubled down on prolonging its genocide of the Palestinians in Gaza," journalist and genocide scholar Samira Mohyeddin said on social media following Netanyahu's moves.

Netanyahu cited what he called a "crisis of trust" that "gradually deepened" as his reason for the changes, which came as Israel is waging war on Gaza and Lebanon while bracing for Iranian retaliation for recent Israeli attacks on the Middle East nation.

"In the midst of a war, more than ever, full trust is required between the prime minister and the minister of defense," Netanyahu said Tuesday, according toThe Jerusalem Post. "This trust has cracked between myself and the defense minister."

Katz, a member of Netanyahu's Likud party, previously held several Cabinet posts, most recently as Israel's top diplomat. He was the minister of energy and infrastructure on October 7, 2023, when Hamas-led militants launched a surprise attack on Israel that left more than 1,100 people dead—at least some killed by fratricidal fire—and over 240 others kidnapped and taken to Gaza.

Two days later, Katz issued an order to "immediately cut off the water supply from Israel to Gaza."

"Electricity and fuel were cut off yesterday," he said. "What was will not be. All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave."

Katz's directive followed Gallant's order for a "complete siege" of Gaza.

"There will be no electricity, no food, no fuel, everything is closed," Gallant said. "We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly."

These statements by Gallant and Katz are cited in the International Court of Justice's January 26 provisional order for Israel to prevent genocidal acts in Gaza. Israel—which is on trial for alleged genocide at the ICJ—has been accused of ignoring this and subsequent orders issued by the tribunal.

On Tuesday, Israeli state media reported that the Israel Defense Forces has completed its division of Gaza into two parts, and that "there is no intention to allow the residents of the northern Gaza Strip to return to their homes."
https://www.commondreams.org/news/israel-katz

You know that TOs will rollover and support BiBi and send more arms to Israel.
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jc57 wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:49 am This article on Counterpunch.org goes into depth on what specific voting groups went for Trump, where, and why. And yes, it is pretty clear that the reason the Democrats lost is not because people want a fascist, but that the Democrats did not come up with a candidate or a set of policies that people wanted to vote for.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/11/06 ... -foretold/
My confirmation bias is strongly aligned with that article. Thanks for posting it. We get nowhere if we just continue to call the other side fascist. That may be true for some of them, but not the majority.

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jc57 wrote: Wed Nov 06, 2024 9:49 am This article on Counterpunch.org goes into depth on what specific voting groups went for Trump, where, and why. And yes, it is pretty clear that the reason the Democrats lost is not because people want a fascist, but that the Democrats did not come up with a candidate or a set of policies that people wanted to vote for.

https://www.counterpunch.org/2024/11/06 ... -foretold/
Exactly, demonizing your opponent and calling them fascists and Nazis is just like school yard kids fighting. Poll after poll listed the same issues of concern to voters and Democrats ignored it, because "they knew" that abortion not the economy was the top issue. If Democrats remain the party of the elites that dictate their issues, then their future doesn't look promising.

The counterpunch article makes good points.
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