Palmetto State Armory sale: $399, 16" bbl AR-15

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Looks like Palmetto State Armory is having quite the AR-15 sale, at $399 for their AR-15 (M4 Carbine). At that price, there's no excuse for not having an AR if you want one and your state's laws are OK with that.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa1 ... -gray.html

For those who prefer the .308 Winchester, they have their LR-308 on sale at $699.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-ps ... rifle.html
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CowboyT wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:06 pm Looks like Palmetto State Armory is having quite the AR-15 sale, at $399 for their AR-15 (M4 Carbine). At that price, there's no excuse for not having an AR if you want one and your state's laws are OK with that.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-pa1 ... -gray.html

For those who prefer the .308 Winchester, they have their LR-308 on sale at $699.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/blem-ps ... rifle.html
Wow, I'd like three please.

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I already have a couple AR-platform pieces in the safe, so don't need one, but it's good to know about it.

After the photo op with TOS holding a 1911 with his image on it in their main retail space, though, it's hard for me to buy anything from PSA. Being an ethical buyer is damned difficult (and more expensive).
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Actually, most states now charge sales tax on anything you buy online, out of state, ever since the SCOTUS changed their minds on out-of-state purchases, as long as that vendor has what the SCOTUS calls a "financial nexus" in that state. Virginia's one of them.
highdesert wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:37 am Very nice price, but as far as I know they're still banned in California and some other states. Even if they were legal in CA, the state still levies sales tax on any guns purchased in other states. Another example of how gun owners get pissed on in California.
Turns out they do sell California-compliant AR's and AK's, and even at a reasonable price.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/califor ... -guns.html
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CowboyT wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 10:54 am Actually, most states now charge sales tax on anything you buy online, out of state, ever since the SCOTUS changed their minds on out-of-state purchases, as long as that vendor has what the SCOTUS calls a "financial nexus" in that state. Virginia's one of them.
highdesert wrote: Mon Nov 04, 2024 6:37 am Very nice price, but as far as I know they're still banned in California and some other states. Even if they were legal in CA, the state still levies sales tax on any guns purchased in other states. Another example of how gun owners get pissed on in California.
Turns out they do sell California-compliant AR's and AK's, and even at a reasonable price.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/califor ... -guns.html
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OK, if you personally don't like PSA, then there are other vendors who also sell semi-auto rifles at reasonable prices.

The point is, arm up if you're concerned about tyranny, and it's affordable to arm up. It's not only your right, it's kinda your duty. The Founding Fathers were right when they said that only an armed citizenry can effectively resist tyranny.

And note that the "Daily Beast", a leftie-site, incorrectly referred to "assault rifles", when they're really talking about semi-automatic rifles. An "assault rifle" is by definition a machine gun, either fully-automatic like the M16A1 or selective-fire like the M16A2.
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CowboyT wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:32 pm OK, if you personally don't like PSA, then there are other vendors who also sell semi-auto rifles at reasonable prices.

The point is, arm up if you're concerned about tyranny, and it's affordable to arm up. It's not only your right, it's kinda your duty. The Founding Fathers were right when they said that only an armed citizenry can effectively resist tyranny.

And note that the "Daily Beast", a leftie-site, incorrectly referred to "assault rifles", when they're really talking about semi-automatic rifles. An "assault rifle" is by definition a machine gun, either fully-automatic like the M16A1 or selective-fire like the M16A2.
Those who think of themselves as "progressives" are, as I type, in the midst of an existential crisis. Like every other intelligent hunan with a conscience, they are scared.

Suggesting to these people that they need to "gun up" terrifies them. As it should.
But, it will drive many into the acquiescence of complacency.

This is not an easy decision. They are being forced to confront embracing that which they vilify.

However, my suggestion to these conflicted souls is not to go out and buy a gun. It is to learn to shoot a gun. Knowledge is power. Knowledge offers choices. Knowledge augments wise choices. This also offers the benefit of two important considerations...the first being, experience mitigates fear, especially the unrealistic fear of an inanimate object. And secondly, who wants a frightened inexperienced person buying a gun?

I'm seeing the results of this gentle approach work miracles on former demanding mom's every week. They are choosing to turn their fear into the ability to resist...and that gives them strength and hope.

Reminding my progressive friends that we live in the United States...

A country brought to you by a group of armed liberals.
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rolandson wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:06 pm
Those who think of themselves as "progressives" are, as I type, in the midst of an existential crisis. Like every other intelligent hunan with a conscience, they are scared.

Suggesting to these people that they need to "gun up" terrifies them. As it should.
But, it will drive many into the acquiescence of complacency.

This is not an easy decision. They are being forced to confront embracing that which they vilify.
I think this is driving the surge in instruction requests on this and other firearm-friendly (and liberal- and left-leaning) sites.

A friend came to me a couple weeks ago, after steadfastly NOT being interested in having a pistol, asking me to help break that metaphorical ice. We spent some time in my workshop with snap caps, then spent some time at a range, then stopped at a local place that is kind of a low-grade Cabela's, where I spent some time talking about less-than-lethal defense stuff (sprays, mostly) and the need for first-aid education (I have used first aid training a WHOLE LOT more than I have used any self-defense firearm skills, of course).
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rolandson wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 3:06 pm
CowboyT wrote: Sun Nov 17, 2024 2:32 pm OK, if you personally don't like PSA, then there are other vendors who also sell semi-auto rifles at reasonable prices.

The point is, arm up if you're concerned about tyranny, and it's affordable to arm up. It's not only your right, it's kinda your duty. The Founding Fathers were right when they said that only an armed citizenry can effectively resist tyranny.

And note that the "Daily Beast", a leftie-site, incorrectly referred to "assault rifles", when they're really talking about semi-automatic rifles. An "assault rifle" is by definition a machine gun, either fully-automatic like the M16A1 or selective-fire like the M16A2.
Those who think of themselves as "progressives" are, as I type, in the midst of an existential crisis. Like every other intelligent hunan with a conscience, they are scared.

Suggesting to these people that they need to "gun up" terrifies them. As it should.
But, it will drive many into the acquiescence of complacency.

This is not an easy decision. They are being forced to confront embracing that which they vilify.

However, my suggestion to these conflicted souls is not to go out and buy a gun. It is to learn to shoot a gun. Knowledge is power. Knowledge offers choices. Knowledge augments wise choices. This also offers the benefit of two important considerations...the first being, experience mitigates fear, especially the unrealistic fear of an inanimate object. And secondly, who wants a frightened inexperienced person buying a gun?

I'm seeing the results of this gentle approach work miracles on former demanding mom's every week. They are choosing to turn their fear into the ability to resist...and that gives them strength and hope.

Reminding my progressive friends that we live in the United States...

A country brought to you by a group of armed liberals.
True, getting some training is also very important. However, you can be trained as well as a Navy SEAL with a rifle, but you still need to actually *have* said rifle in order to defend yourself with it. Having it, and learning how to use it, are important. I'm reminded of the fellow who got held up at his restaurant one night by armed thugs. That night, he showed up at our range, furious, scared, frustrated, and DETERMINED NOT TO EVER LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN. Another RSO and I taught him the basics on how to shoot his new Glock 19 that same night. He kept coming to the range to practice for quite a while, and we could see his steady improvement. His fiancee likewise did so, as he had bought a gun for her as well (the thugs knew where they lived).

Your post also reminds me of many of the anti-2A press folks after the Charlie Hebdo murders in France. All of a sudden, left-wing anti-2A press people were bunching around Emily Miller (a fellow member of the press) asking, "Emily, how do I go about getting a gun?" They hated guns and even the idea of possessing them. All of a sudden, they got interested in having them, once they saw their own personal safety at risk.

And that's the point I'm making here. We here, we know the value of an armed citizenry. This is, after all, the Liberal *GUN* Club forums. I can tell you here, directly, get your friends to arm up, and you already know what I'm talking about. *HOW* you go about doing it...that's up to you, based on the particular people with whom you're dealing.
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In my opinion, a major problem with many folks on The Left, is that they have bought into the emotional baggage of being in possession of firearms. Specifically, the evil black rifles now designated as "Assault Weapons" in general and all high capacity, semi auto firearms. For some reason, reasonable and intelligent people seem to believe that these firearms are the embodiment of evil and that their mere presence means that heinous things are going to happen to people in their presence. I have been fighting mostly a losing battle trying to convince Leftists that I am *NOT* going to hurt anyone and I'm not a MAGA Aficionado screaming blood and guts to deprive anyone of a differing point of view of their lives or Rights.

They are tools that can hurt people if misused/misperceived. They are tools like a machete, explosives', a chain saw or even an automobile. I'm still convinced that when we have been infringed to the point of effectively being disarmed it will open a door that can never be closed and hasten The Bad Stuff happening. Far from no one having a scary black rifle, I think almost everyone should have one (not the obvious Problems, of course) so we can get over this emotional BS that they are inherently evil and the only purpose of possession is to hurt as many people as fast as possible.

I'm not holding my breath.

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Contributing to thread drift:

I am aware of reasons why people wouldn't want to buy from Palmetto State Armory. I happen to agree with those reasons, but I also recognize that their special price on an apparently-serviceable AR-platform rifle is attractive if one doesn't have lots of shekels to spend (or would rather spend the shekels on cartridges and training).

In accordance with VooDoo's comments, my internal terminology for my AR-platform rifles is "scary black rifle." I keep thinking of the statistic cited by David Yemane in one of the Light over Heat videos showing that for every single AR-platform rifle used in a criminal scenario, there are thousands (if not tens of thousands) that are never misused.

I don't know that it is a valid defense for owning such a rifle, but I'm also cognizant that cops kill more people per year than die due to mass shooter events (almost without regard to how mass shooter events are defined or the threshold of rounds fired in such events OR whether an AR-platform is used). I DO NOT WANT the only non-military folks hauling around AR-platform rifles (or any other sort of firearm) to be law encroachment officers, especially given the propensity cops show for violating the rights of the people they encounter.

My own AR-platform rifle has tan plastic "furniture" on it, only to make it look a bit less like a "scary black rifle" if I'm ever out in public with it. To date, it's only been used at a couple of ranges to make holes in paper targets, and I sincerely hope that I never feel need to do anything else with it. In the mean time, I know that the ammo I stock to feed that beast runs just fine (although I want to take it somewhere that will let me run a mag or two of M855, just to be sure--my indoor range says that steel-core rounds damage their backstop so disapprove). My wife's AR-platform hasn't had any modifications since its purchase (I have one, so she has one--happily I haven't had to buy her a duplicate of my P07, P09, PCR, P10F, etc.--she's fine with her P365XL).

It seems that people are less scared when the rifle has a wood stock, even though the various M1 rifles and the M14 could do a fair bit more damage than an AR-platform rifle in the hands of a somewhat-competent shooter, AND are "military-style" weapons.

Heck, the Brown Bess musket was a "military-style" weapon in its day!
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VodoundaVinci wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:01 pm In my opinion, a major problem with many folks on The Left, is that they have bought into the emotional baggage of being in possession of firearms. Specifically, the evil black rifles now designated as "Assault Weapons" in general and all high capacity, semi auto firearms. For some reason, reasonable and intelligent people seem to believe that these firearms are the embodiment of evil and that their mere presence means that heinous things are going to happen to people in their presence. I have been fighting mostly a losing battle trying to convince Leftists that I am *NOT* going to hurt anyone and I'm not a MAGA Aficionado screaming blood and guts to deprive anyone of a differing point of view of their lives or Rights.
This is where it helps to be a racial minority. It also helps that I'm a direct descendant of a Black Wall Street family. When Black people learn that about me, all of a sudden they start listening more intently.

Then I explain the racism of gun control, and I start with the Black Panthers of the 1960's. Why there, when we know gun control existed before then? It's because the Black Panthers continue to occupy a strong presence in Black American contemporary culture. That continues to hold their attention, and when I mention that even MLK Jr. applied for (and was denied) a Concealed Handgun Permit after his house got firebombed by the Klan (wife and children inside the home at the time), then they're really rapt.

It is at this point that I *can* get into the general racism of gun control. They're listening. And I explain why something like an AR-15 is a really good rifle to have for self-defense. Josh Sugarmann, a White man, invented the term "assault weapon", and yes, I leverage that, too. The light bulbs start glowing more brightly. The seed gets planted, and in some cases, it germinates. That's a good thing in my book.
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BearPaws wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:40 pm Contributing to thread drift:

I am aware of reasons why people wouldn't want to buy from Palmetto State Armory. I happen to agree with those reasons, but I also recognize that their special price on an apparently-serviceable AR-platform rifle is attractive if one doesn't have lots of shekels to spend (or would rather spend the shekels on cartridges and training).

In accordance with VooDoo's comments, my internal terminology for my AR-platform rifles is "scary black rifle." I keep thinking of the statistic cited by David Yemane in one of the Light over Heat videos showing that for every single AR-platform rifle used in a criminal scenario, there are thousands (if not tens of thousands) that are never misused.

I don't know that it is a valid defense for owning such a rifle, but I'm also cognizant that cops kill more people per year than die due to mass shooter events (almost without regard to how mass shooter events are defined or the threshold of rounds fired in such events OR whether an AR-platform is used). I DO NOT WANT the only non-military folks hauling around AR-platform rifles (or any other sort of firearm) to be law encroachment officers, especially given the propensity cops show for violating the rights of the people they encounter.

My own AR-platform rifle has tan plastic "furniture" on it, only to make it look a bit less like a "scary black rifle" if I'm ever out in public with it. To date, it's only been used at a couple of ranges to make holes in paper targets, and I sincerely hope that I never feel need to do anything else with it. In the mean time, I know that the ammo I stock to feed that beast runs just fine (although I want to take it somewhere that will let me run a mag or two of M855, just to be sure--my indoor range says that steel-core rounds damage their backstop so disapprove). My wife's AR-platform hasn't had any modifications since its purchase (I have one, so she has one--happily I haven't had to buy her a duplicate of my P07, P09, PCR, P10F, etc.--she's fine with her P365XL).

It seems that people are less scared when the rifle has a wood stock, even though the various M1 rifles and the M14 could do a fair bit more damage than an AR-platform rifle in the hands of a somewhat-competent shooter, AND are "military-style" weapons.

Heck, the Brown Bess musket was a "military-style" weapon in its day!
I find it odd that a rifle's dangerousness is judged by its appearance. Your M1 example or the SKS actually were military firearms. The AR-15, not so much.

Also, lots of people drive 2 ton vehicles around safely every day. Relatively few get shit faced, take the wheel and kill an innocent family with said 2 ton missile. Still, far more than the evil black death rifles. Yet we don't clamour for SUV control. Maybe if they were all black? Perception is a hell of a thing.

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featureless wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:49 pm
I find it odd that a rifle's dangerousness is judged by its appearance. Your M1 example or the SKS actually were military firearms. The AR-15, not so much.

Also, lots of people drive 2 ton vehicles around safely every day. Relatively few get shit faced, take the wheel and kill an innocent family with said 2 ton missile. Still, far more than the evil black death rifles. Yet we don't clamour for SUV control. Maybe if they were all black? Perception is a hell of a thing.
Oh, don't get me started on motor vehicle-related fatalities and life-altering injuries. When I was active in bicycling advocacy, it was easy to comment on the motor vehicle fatality rate as "more per month than died on 9/11," but it doesn't grab headlines because it's one or two per locale per week/month instead of a thousand at a time.

And I have no idea how many life-altering injuries happen due to automobile crashes per year. I don't know who tracks those injuries.

Back (sort-of) to the main topic, a little bit: Many folks in my social media circles bemoan the prevalence of "military style" rifles. One person has expressed deep emotional reactions due to the Standard Gravure shooting in 1989 (because she was there...). I get that. I really do. I can't counter that, even with the statistics I learned of through David Yemane's videos (cited above).

I keep coming back to the sense that if *I* am not allowed to have "military-style" firearms, then the police--who, let's face it, are NOT members of any branch of the military--should not have access to "military-style" firearms. And, since an average eighteen-year-old neighbor can join the military and qualify to handle "military style" firearms (with restrictions), I, as a person who certainly has more emotional maturity than most eighteen-year-old testosterone-poisoned male, should have free and unfettered access to similar firearms.
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Why does this read so much like threads in shit like sigforum? Like the rabid right, frothing at the mouth. The shiny object is working overtime.

Beginning to suspect that it's an ad for Palm whatever armory in disguise.
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rolandson wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:53 pm Why does this read so much like threads in shit like sigforum? Like the rabid right, frothing at the mouth. The shiny object is working overtime.
Explain this, please? I'm not sure what you're upset about here. Seriously, I'm not.
rolandson wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 9:53 pm Beginning to suspect that it's an ad for Palm whatever armory in disguise.
Sorry you feel that way. Not an ad, just pointing out a sale and encouraging Liberals everywhere--regardless of where they purchase things--to "arm up".
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Nah, no buy from PSA, they have shown their true colors.

As stated before, many AR's are available at your local gun store for reasonable prices: I'd opt for a Ruger, not having the "crazy baggage" management.

And here is one of my home built "Scary GREEN rifles":
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