Trump Drives His Anti-Immigration Message In Aurora, Colorado

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AURORA, Colo. (AP) — Donald Trump detoured from the battleground states Friday to visit a Colorado suburb that’s been in the news over illegal immigration as he drives a message, often using false or misleading claims and dehumanizing language, that migrants are causing chaos in smaller American cities and towns.

Trump’s rally in Aurora marked the first time ahead of the November election that either presidential campaign has visited Colorado, which reliably votes Democratic statewide.

The Republican nominee has long promised to stage the largest deportation operation in U.S. history and has made immigration core to his political persona since launching his first campaign in 2015. In recent months, Trump has pinpointed specific smaller communities that have seen large arrivals of migrants, with tensions flaring locally over resources and some longtime residents expressing distrust about sudden demographic changes.
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I'm just waiting for TOS to come out and declare that only "True Americans" can be able to vote and run the country. Since he is so anti-immigrant maybe he needs a reminder that his grandparents and his mother were immigrants. In some countries of the past to be a citizen you had to have lineage dating back for generations. That doesn't happen here in the US. TOS needs to understand that the US is a total land of immigrants, it just depends of when they got here. Even the Native Americans are immigrants. It was just thousands of years ago they migrated here from Asia across the Bering Strait land bridge.
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Trump Pledges to Use Law Behind Japanese Internment to Conduct Mass Deportations

Warnings that Republican nominee Donald Trump poses a fascist threat to U.S. society as a whole — and to the nation’s immigrants in particular — grew Friday following his visit to Aurora, Colorado, where he used a rally to spew xenophobic vitriol that even the city’s right-wing mayor condemned as lie-filled and dangerous.

Throughout his 80-minute speech, Trump — flanked by posters that read “Occupied America,” “Deport Illegals Now,” and “End Migrant Crime” — used openly fascistic language to falsely characterize Aurora as “infested” with Venezuelan gang members who came to the United States from “the dungeons of the Third World, from prisons and jails, insane asylums and mental institutions.”

Aurora, Trump lied, has been “invaded and conquered.” Trump pledged that, if elected to another White House term next month, he would invoke the draconian Alien Enemies Act of 1798 to deport alleged gang members without due process — a plan he dubbed “Operation Aurora.” More broadly, Trump has vowed to carry out the “largest domestic deportation operation in American history.”
https://truthout.org/articles/trump-ple ... ortations/

Can we declare TOS as an Alien Enemy and deport him to GITMO?
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How are you going to remove his birth right, citizen by birth. This pisses me off a bit, some of us can be easily thrown out if we are naturalized citizens and we are always looked upon as not as good and suspect due to our birth in another country, but a putz like trump can be treasonous and get no real consequences.
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sikacz wrote: Sun Oct 13, 2024 11:45 am How are you going to remove his birth right, citizen by birth. This pisses me off a bit, some of us can be easily thrown out if we are naturalized citizens and we are always looked upon as not as good and suspect due to our birth in another country, but a putz like trump can be treasonous and get no real consequences.

Especially because when you naturalize, you take the Oath of Allegiance, similar to the military, president, etc..

No-one born here took that oath (except examples above) and I reckon a large portion of the people banging on about patriotism couldn’t recite the Oath if their lives depended on it

In fact, Id wager they couldn’t pass the civics test you take to become a citizen either

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Folks, Trump is, as Nomadsurfer pointed out above, married to an immigrant. Before then, he was married to another immigrant. Four of his children are children of immigrants (Barron is even fluent in Slovenian). Therefore, he clearly is not "anti-immigrant", otherwise he wouldn't have married immigrants.

Trump's got plenty of actual problems to criticize him on without this nonsense that he's "anti-immigrant". Let's concentrate on the real problems with Trump instead of the fabricated nonsense like this.
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Doesn’t much matter if he’s anti-immigrant or not. He uses inflammatory rhetoric to stir up the part of his base that is anti-immigrant. I doubt he’ll do any different than any other president when it comes to deportations and both parties have done their fair share of deportations when they had the White House.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ed-more-p/

Just an example, but presidents have done it not just trump and Obama.
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TrueTexan wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:15 am He is anti-immigrant if you aren't white European or white South African billionaires.
Then say that. Don't say he's "anti-immigrant", because that's demonstrably false (again, his marriages to immigrants). Say that he's against non-White-European immigrants if that's your view. No need to give the right-wing extremists any further ammunition through inaccuracy; we don't need to give them that.
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sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:13 am Doesn’t much matter if he’s anti-immigrant or not. He uses inflammatory rhetoric to stir up the part of his base that is anti-immigrant. I doubt he’ll do any different than any other president when it comes to deportations and both parties have done their fair share of deportations when they had the White House.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ed-more-p/

Just an example, but presidents have done it not just trump and Obama.
I'm not aware of his base being "anti-immigrant". Perhaps a part of his base is against non-White-European immigrants coming here, as TrueTexan eventually pointed out. After all, his base loves Melania, an immigrant. They had no problem with Ivana, also an immigrant, or his kids, children of immigrants. I suspect they likewise wouldn't have a problem with you, another immigrant. Well, OK, they might disagree with some of your politics, as they disagree with some of mine, but you, the person, I don't believe that'd set off any alarm bells with them.

Cesar Chavez, on the other hand....
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CowboyT wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:35 am
sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:13 am Doesn’t much matter if he’s anti-immigrant or not. He uses inflammatory rhetoric to stir up the part of his base that is anti-immigrant. I doubt he’ll do any different than any other president when it comes to deportations and both parties have done their fair share of deportations when they had the White House.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... ed-more-p/

Just an example, but presidents have done it not just trump and Obama.
I'm not aware of his base being "anti-immigrant". Perhaps a part of his base is against non-White-European immigrants coming here, as TrueTexan eventually pointed out. After all, his base loves Melania, an immigrant. They had no problem with Ivana, also an immigrant, or his kids, children of immigrants. I suspect they likewise wouldn't have a problem with you, another immigrant. Well, OK, they might disagree with some of your politics, as they disagree with some of mine, but you, the person, I don't believe that'd set off any alarm bells with them.

Cesar Chavez, on the other hand....
I said part of his base, never implied all of his base.

Cesar Chavez is not running for office….aside from being dead and a totally different generation and time.
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Hell yes turd is anti-immigrant and racist!! The only reason he married foreign women is because I truly believe he thinks they are dumber than he. Marla Maples was the lone exception and that lasted about like a fart in a hurricane. His buddy Elon is a super racist, being from South Africa it's inherent in his being - any non-white is a Kaffir to him - you can't remove that stain.
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As an immigrant married to a refugee, Agent Orange has said (maybe in 2016/2017) that the problem was not “european” immigration. I will try to find it to validate my assertion.


However you want to see his rhetoric is of course your choice. But, the underlying message is hateful. Don’t forget that every group of immigrants has been victims of discrimination from Italians, Irish, Polish, Chinese, Catholics…. This is just the latest example.


And, also remember that not that long ago America rounded up and interned anyone who was remotely Japanese, stole their property without any other reason than their race.

It can happen to anyone, and it can happen again. All it takes is a charismatic leader to rile his base and your neighbors become your enemies….

He’s been talking about the mass rounding up of “immigrants” for years now. You don’t think that he would use that opportunity to expel anyone who he doesn’t like?


My parents didn’t come here, and my wife’s family didn’t escape Vietnam to ruin this country. I am so exhausted about hearing how immigration is ruining our country. It’s xenophobic and insulting.

Yes, we need to secure our borders, but he won’t do that, just like he didn’t in his first term. Nor did the GOP house and senators put ANYTHING forward to fix the problem. At least the Democrats tried.

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Saying someone can’t be anti immigrant because they married an immigrant is like saying someone can’t be racist because they married someone from a different race or that a man can’t be a misogynist because he’s married to a woman. These ideas are demonstrably false and there are endless real world examples that bear this out.

I don’t think anyone, his supporters included, is still pretending he isn’t anti immigrant. He spews vile anti immigrant rhetoric all the damn time.

That thing about the Haitians eating people’s cats and dogs was a) racist b) anti immigrant c) a dangerous lie that may get someone hurt or killed.
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Since politicians lie when they open their mouths how do you know what his thoughts are? The only thing absolutely sure is he uses hate and racist comments to stir up essentially the part of his base that is racist. If anyone finds letters or private speech that indicates the same thoughts then it would lean to him being a racist. Until then I wouldn’t call him one or the other. Not that it matters to me since he has zero chance of getting my vote.
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sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:50 am Also dragging Cesar Chavez into this conversation and implying racism is just as inappropriate as drawing Malcolm X into it. They were from a generation where oppression shaped their lives and rhetoric.
I disagree. That part of his base likely didn't like Mr. Chavez then and wouldn't like Mr. Chavez today were he still with us. I'm not seeing how it's inappropriate to point that out. Basically, you and I are agreeing here about that part of Trump's base; what's the problem?
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CowboyT wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:54 pm
sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:50 am Also dragging Cesar Chavez into this conversation and implying racism is just as inappropriate as drawing Malcolm X into it. They were from a generation where oppression shaped their lives and rhetoric.
I disagree. That part of his base likely didn't like Mr. Chavez then and wouldn't like Mr. Chavez today were he still with us. I'm not seeing how it's inappropriate to point that out. Basically, you and I are agreeing here about that part of Trump's base; what's the problem?
I don’t have a problem, you think we do. You did miss my point on Cesar an X though. They both said inflammatory rhetoric that could be seen as as racist. They were individuals of a different generation and I don’t see bringing up either as relevant especially when one is being labeled racist. If one was they both were. Which is irrelevant to this thread.
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sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 8:27 pm
CowboyT wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 7:54 pm
sikacz wrote: Tue Oct 15, 2024 11:50 am Also dragging Cesar Chavez into this conversation and implying racism is just as inappropriate as drawing Malcolm X into it. They were from a generation where oppression shaped their lives and rhetoric.
I disagree. That part of his base likely didn't like Mr. Chavez then and wouldn't like Mr. Chavez today were he still with us. I'm not seeing how it's inappropriate to point that out. Basically, you and I are agreeing here about that part of Trump's base; what's the problem?
I don’t have a problem, you think we do. You did miss my point on Cesar an X though. They both said inflammatory rhetoric that could be seen as as racist. They were individuals of a different generation and I don’t see bringing up either as relevant especially when one is being labeled racist. If one was they both were. Which is irrelevant to this thread.
It appears that in this case, you do have the problem and are failing to understand. Cesar Chavez, as I'm sure you know, was a Mexican-American activist for rights for undocumented migrant farm workers, most of which happened to be from Latin America, especially Mexico and Central America. That part of Trump's base of which we're speaking probably would not like Mr. Chavez's lobbying efforts or the people for whom he was lobbying.

So, yes, we're agreeing about that part of Trump's base here. And given that the discussion is about Trump and/or his supporters being "anti-immigrant", yes, I do believe it is a relevant example in this discussion.
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