Third Party's that are not Not Anti-gun

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I was just checking around and as far as I can tell if you dont want to vote Dem or Repug and yoiur looking for a thirdparty that is not anti-gun I can only find the Libertarian party.
The Green party wants assault weapon ban plus restrictions on mag capacity.

Can you find one thats not going to throw your vote away
Just was looking at the list of political party's and if any gun control is a no then your going to have to vote Libertarian which is NOT really that Liberal.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... ted_States

So yeah, for lots of liberal and middle stream people any gun control is a hard no then your lack of vote is definitely going to help the weird party.

Yes I realize this place has this attitude where everyone is allowed to voice their opinion and vote for whom ever you want but I gots to tell ya you need to make a choice or you'll never get to vote again. Pick a Lane and don't be shy, lets us know .
I'm voting Dem.
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Living, as I do, in Kentucky, home of #MoscowMitch and #Ran(ci)dPaul, and where dolt45 carried the last two Electoral College tallies, who I vote for probably won't matter much.

Still, while I don't think of myself as a single-issue voter, I can't think of one repulsican candidate that got my vote since I started voting over forty years ago. I might just be a single-issue voter: If the candidate has (R) behind their name, I'm going to vote against them, even more so now than forty years ago.

There was a time when I considered voting for Jill Stein in the 2020 election--I've never been a big fan of Biden, and still hold him accountable for how he and others treated Anita Hill during the confirmation hearings for Clarence Thomas (who, frankly, deserved to be unemployed then and until now). Stein, like every single politician I've ever read up on, has some serious issues that I cannot abide.

When Obama was elected, people said he was going to take away people's guns. Didn't happen. He was in office eight years. Never really pushed for it like he did his health care initiative. With Harris, we can at least push back. dolt45 would do so much more damage that I just cannot even consider "letting him win."
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Yup, the Libertarian Party's position on guns.
The right to self defense is one of our most fundamental rights. Few people will argue against that. However, some believe that people should not be allowed to arm themselves. Libertarians strongly disagree. Imagine a small person, walking home after a late shift at work. Imagine that person is attacked by someone twice their size. The victim fights back but is unable to defend themselves against the much larger attacker.

Now imagine if the victim was armed. With the help of a gun, the victim has a chance at self defense against the much larger attacker. Gun rights are important for everyone, but especially those that are physically weaker. Banning guns would not curb violence or deaths…it will just change the nature of violence and deaths. It would result in violent criminals having more power to perpetrate violence against innocent people. Violent criminals will be emboldened if they know that average Americans are unable to defend themselves.

And banning guns would mean people who should be free to go about their business, for example traveling home from work after dark, will live in greater fear. It will mean that people who live in more dangerous areas (and who are typically poorer) have fewer options to defend themselves and their families. Libertarians support people’s rights to defend themselves and to arm themselves. We see it as immoral for government to try to prevent someone from doing so.
https://www.lp.org/issues/gun-ownership/
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highdesert wrote: Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:01 am Yup, the Libertarian Party's position on guns.
The right to self defense is one of our most fundamental rights. Few people will argue against that. However, some believe that people should not be allowed to arm themselves. Libertarians strongly disagree. Imagine a small person, walking home after a late shift at work. Imagine that person is attacked by someone twice their size. The victim fights back but is unable to defend themselves against the much larger attacker.

Now imagine if the victim was armed. With the help of a gun, the victim has a chance at self defense against the much larger attacker. Gun rights are important for everyone, but especially those that are physically weaker. Banning guns would not curb violence or deaths…it will just change the nature of violence and deaths. It would result in violent criminals having more power to perpetrate violence against innocent people. Violent criminals will be emboldened if they know that average Americans are unable to defend themselves.

And banning guns would mean people who should be free to go about their business, for example traveling home from work after dark, will live in greater fear. It will mean that people who live in more dangerous areas (and who are typically poorer) have fewer options to defend themselves and their families. Libertarians support people’s rights to defend themselves and to arm themselves. We see it as immoral for government to try to prevent someone from doing so.
https://www.lp.org/issues/gun-ownership/
Its true but lots of single issue voters also have problems with the rest of the Libertarian policy, namely not supporting federal handouts that support children lunches and others which keep people out of poverty.
NO party out there is going to punch every tab.
I'm still waiting for another third party that does not support gun control other that the Libertarian party that I wo.t vote for, just saying?
All I hear is crickets from the main crowd here.

And really this is a legit question I hope the mods can grasp before a delete.
Thanks
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Tailgunner, I truly wish that there existed a third party worthy of your vote (and mine). That the two most influential parties do so much to stifle such less-well-known parties is rotten politics. That both parties have moved significantly to the political right over the last forty years bothers me greatly. Heck, the folks who run the site PoliticalCompass (dot) org noted rightward movement in Obama DURING his term in office, despite that he also did some things that were more leftish than his earlier positions on those issues (gay marriage comes to mind).

I'd be stoked if the entire Democratic Party took the positions of Bernie Sanders and The Squad as "this is where the DNC needs to be right now to serve our people." The Squad and those aligned with them seem to be mostly rational people, and I think we could show them how "gun control from ignorance about guns" is a bad idea.
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Seems like people should have a list if not single issue voter. So what tops the list?
On most gun forums I'd bet it's 2nd amendment rights. I've read this here from others. I'm ok with background checks that are more in depth than now.
Whats second? Mines taxes. I got screwed by Trumps last tax plan and to date it hasn't been rescinded ( I believe). Why the heck not?
Third? Lets do top three. Mine abortion rights.
Fourth, would be leave the LGBTQ people alone for Christs sake. Mind your own business. It's not like anyone is forcing you to date one.
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Check out the Forward Party - https://www.forwardparty.com

It's a centrist, grass-roots oriented party; currently focusing on local races, and establishing a foothold in that manner.

Their candidate pledge from their website is worth reading - https://www.forwardparty.com/pledge/
Headers are:
1) Democracy only works when people respect the established rules and the electoral system is set up to elevate the voice of the voter.
2) Candidates should work collaboratively to craft long-term solutions to their community’s most pressing problems.
3) Public servants should be role models for the community.

The party platform is still being fleshed out - policies and ideas are being solicited from members. The website does have a "Values" section which lays down the core principles of the Forward Party - https://www.forwardparty.com/#values

I think that a strong centrist third party may be what is needed; it would force both major parties to moderate their positions in order to have a consensus in governing.
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My number one issue is climate change, because nothing else matters if we continue to fuck that up. As usual, I have nobody to vote for on my number one issue. Fuck platitudes. It's way past time to "do something."
Number 2 is (as of last 2 years) women's rights, though I expect Dems will do fuckall about it, it's too great of a money and vote generator.
Number three is social equity (root cause mitigation). Again, don't expect much out of the Dems (having largely abandoned such in pursuit of mega doners) and absolutely nothing but dark ages out of repugs.
Below that is 2A, but arguably falls into social equity, ensuring rights are not compromised, etc
Taxes are pretty damn far down my list. Bill me biggly, but make it equitable and spend it properly, preferably in support of my top three rather than bombs and blow.

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Heretic wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 3:54 pm

I think that a strong centrist third party may be what is needed; it would force both major parties to moderate their positions in order to have a consensus in governing.
Given that the mainstream Democrats are to the political right of center (according to PoliticalCompass [dot] org, among other sources), and we already know that the mainstream GOP is quite willing to have a fascist dictator in office, your "centrist third party" would have to be well to the left of the current major parties. The less-moderate Democrats are right-leaning capitalists. AOC, the rest of the "Squad," and Bernie Sanders are global centrists. If we could educate that group with regard to root causes vs trying to rid society of firearms, I'd be happy to see them running things.
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featureless wrote: Mon Oct 21, 2024 4:26 pm My number one issue is climate change, because nothing else matters if we continue to fuck that up. As usual, I have nobody to vote for on my number one issue. Fuck platitudes. It's way past time to "do something."
Number 2 is (as of last 2 years) women's rights, though I expect Dems will do fuckall about it, it's too great of a money and vote generator.
Number three is social equity (root cause mitigation). Again, don't expect much out of the Dems (having largely abandoned such in pursuit of mega doners) and absolutely nothing but dark ages out of repugs.
Below that is 2A, but arguably falls into social equity, ensuring rights are not compromised, etc
Taxes are pretty damn far down my list. Bill me biggly, but make it equitable and spend it properly, preferably in support of my top three rather than bombs and blow.
Indeed.
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I looked pretty hard on the Forward Party and gun control. It's hard to pin them down on it.
But here's Yang in 2020;
. Responsible gun owners should continue to enjoy the right to bear arms, subject to licensing and education requirements that will enhance public safety. But we need to ban the most dangerous weapons that make mass shootings as deadly as they have become, and address the other violence - particularly suicide - that is plaguing this country.
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