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sikacz wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2024 9:23 am Again will SCOTUS do nothing?
My opinion is that Big Money/The Oligarchy wants US disarmed or at least impotent in terms of possessed firearms. They have plans for US that we may want to shoot them for and they ain't havin that. The SCOTUS seems already owned and compromised by the same players that want US disarmed.

SCOTUS already has precedents that they will not enforce/cannot enforce. Eventually we'll have a Federal law that goes where Illinois and now MA wants to go and my guess is that SCOTUS will look the other way.

Hope I'm wrong but I know I'm not.

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The oligarchs are behind both political parties, Democrats loved to paint Republicans as being controlled by mysterious and evil billionaires. Surprise ! Democrats have them too like Bloomberg who dictates Democrats' gun control policy. Huge campaign contributions to politicians in Washington and state capitols ensures that oligarchs get what they want and politicians keep the population in line.

It's a Republican dominated SCOTUS that gave us the Heller, McDonald and Buren decisions. They would all be undone if someone like Bloomberg got a say in SCOTUS nominations and a Democratic controlled US Senate confirmed them. Divided government works best.
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I have to agree with sikacz in that abortion, while an important subject, is a red herring here when we're talking about what Massachusetts is doing to 2A rights. The Massachusetts state government isn't going after abortion, but rather Second Amendment rights. Abortion deserves its own thread, and injecting that into a 2A thread feels like a thread hijack.
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CDFingers wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 1:19 pm Abortion is a red herring only for men. You should be embarrassed for having written that, CT.

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Boy, you sure have a lot of wrong answers lately. You have been inserting an attempt at distraction, and you're getting called on it by multiple people, not just me (I'm only the latest one).

Your failure, yet again, is made yet worse by the fact that you're just plain wrong here. I made my views about that subject very clear already, so try again. Stick on the subject, man, and that is Massachusetts's continuing evisceration of the 2A in that state. Please. You wanna talk abortion? Great, start another thread on that, and we'll have that conversation; I'm all for it!
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It's easy for men to dismiss abortion because we don't carry babies. It takes quite a bit of energy to get up outa that hole. It's easy for men to dismiss women's concerns who live in red states where the decision about abortion is absolute. In no state, for either women or men, is the decision about guns absolute. If you don't want to look at it you can't see it. I only have part of one eye and I can see it. I used my energy to see that, some time ago, but it was my energy at my direction. Try it.

I see it as all connected rather than a bunch of single issues.

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H.4885 made changes throughout MA gun law (MGL). Via litigation, there will be no way for the whole thing to be struck down. Individual provisions will need to be fought, meaning multiple cases. Even GOAL's lawyers have had a hard time digesting this law. I don't see how much of this gets undone within a decade.

2A already was a dead letter in the state. Piling this law on was a significant victory for Democrats in their effort to stamp out practical firearm ownership in MA.

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CDFingers wrote: Mon Jul 29, 2024 3:59 pm It does if a person favors all applicable right for all eligible people. Single issue folks seem to suffer diminished creativity. Vive la difference.

CDF
Cut out the insults to people's mental capacities. That's attacking the person, not debating the issue.





And I remind everyone that this topic has been rehashed over and over and over and over on this forum already. I know you guys won't shut up about it, even though you should, but at least recognize that you are not going to change anyone's mind and all you ever manage to do on this topic is get me to come and tell you to tone it down. If you can't talk about this without animosity, then don't talk about it at all.
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highdesert wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:59 am GOAL is the NRA affiliate in MA, like NYSRPA is the NRA affiliate in NY and CRPA is the NRA affiliate in CA. National organizations like the 2nd Amendment Foundation and the Firearms Policy Coalition might also get involved.
I assume the more effective orgs like FPC, SAF, or GOA will get involved. Even so, just trying to get the semiautomatic ban overturned probably will take so long the makeup of SCOTUS will have been changed and Bruen will have been reversed.

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DispositionMatrix wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 9:36 am
highdesert wrote: Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:59 am GOAL is the NRA affiliate in MA, like NYSRPA is the NRA affiliate in NY and CRPA is the NRA affiliate in CA. National organizations like the 2nd Amendment Foundation and the Firearms Policy Coalition might also get involved.
I assume the more effective orgs like FPC, SAF, or GOA will get involved. Even so, just trying to get the semiautomatic ban overturned probably will take so long the makeup of SCOTUS will have been changed and Bruen will have been reversed.
Waiting for the court to change is in my opinion the dems strategy. Ignore Bruen and any other gun ruling they don’t like until they can overturn them. Doesn’t give me much reasons to vote for dems. F’em!
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Comm2A has sued the Massachusetts State Police over the delay in getting training elements approved and thus instructors approved for the training required for LTC applicants. Until the instructors are certified in the as-yet-nonexistent curriculum, no LTCs can be issued.
https://comm2a.org/wp-content/uploads/2 ... plaint.pdf
2. The Plaintiffs, and the people at large, need the Court’s intervention to protect
their right to keep and bear arms during whatever period it may take for the Commonwealth to
draft new regulations and then approve new courses. As it stands, Defendant has indefinitely
postponed the licensing process that people must go through in order to exercise their rights,
which indefinitely prohibits people from exercising their rights. That, however, is one of the
“policy choices” that is “off the table.” District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 636 (2008).

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I'm glad to see Comm2A doing this. I'm glad that they have the resources to do so.

However, it appears to me that every state should follow Florida's example of officials making bad, i. e. un-Constitutional, law being personally financially liable. This resulted in a flurry of bad laws being taken off of several municipal books. It should not take expensive, time-consuming lawsuits to put a stop to un-Constitutional behaviour on the part of our lawmakers.
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CowboyT wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:22 am I'm glad to see Comm2A doing this. I'm glad that they have the resources to do so.

However, it appears to me that every state should follow Florida's example of officials making bad, i. e. un-Constitutional, law being personally financially liable. This resulted in a flurry of bad laws being taken off of several municipal books. It should not take expensive, time-consuming lawsuits to put a stop to un-Constitutional behaviour on the part of our lawmakers.
Political agenda driven legislation that costs state and local governments millions to defend in court, should carry a penalty for the legislators who sponsored it, voted for it and governors that sign them into law. The CA legislature would never pass such a law, it but it could pass by the initiative process.
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CowboyT wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2024 12:22 am I'm glad to see Comm2A doing this. I'm glad that they have the resources to do so.

However, it appears to me that every state should follow Florida's example of officials making bad, i. e. un-Constitutional, law being personally financially liable. This resulted in a flurry of bad laws being taken off of several municipal books. It should not take expensive, time-consuming lawsuits to put a stop to un-Constitutional behaviour on the part of our lawmakers.
Never going to happen in MA. People are happy to pay into the bottomless pit of public money for their government to save them from firearms.

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Seems kinda like New York, especially NYC. A license to possess....

I wonder how well that would go down if the same thing were applied to the printing presses or their modern equivalents...a license to possess...after all, "the pen is mightier than the sword"....

Shame it took the threat of a lawsuit to get these state officials to even do that.
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In response to Repeal H4885 Massachusetts, Healey put H4885 into effect early while also suspending some provisions, such as those that likely would have put MA firearm stores out of business. I'm guessing this was to avoid lawsuits.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/mas ... -114446282
The new law was approved in July and was set to take effect later this month.
Healey's decision to put the law into effect immediately blocks any temporary suspension of the law.

The law was enacted in part as a response to the Supreme Court’s 2022 Bruen decision declaring citizens have a right to carry firearms in public for self-defense.
https://www.boston25news.com/news/local ... CR4EG7IDM/

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