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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

101 by Ylatkit
You are the first person I've met in thirty years on the internet who knows what the one exception to the statement "all rights are limited" is.

Congratulations, here's your prize.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

102 by Ylatkit
sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:11 am As I said it boils down to trust. I don’t trust her.
What a ridiculous criteria. No wonder you can't find a candidate to support.

I've been voting regularly since 1976, and have never once found a candidate I trust, with the possible exception of President Obama, who I may trust as long as I have a direct sightline.

Once I do vote for someone, I keep a careful eye on them. Precisely because I don't trust them.

Trusting a politician is an exercise in foolishness.
"When I have your wounded." -- Major Charles L. Kelly, callsign "Dustoff", refusing to acknowledge that an L.Z. was too hot, moments before being killed by a single shot, July 1st, 1964.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

103 by YankeeTarheel
Ylatkit wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:04 pm
sikacz wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 10:11 am As I said it boils down to trust. I don’t trust her.
What a ridiculous criteria. No wonder you can't find a candidate to support.

I've been voting regularly since 1976, and have never once found a candidate I trust, with the possible exception of President Obama, who I may trust as long as I have a direct sightline.

Once I do vote for someone, I keep a careful eye on them. Precisely because I don't trust them.

Trusting a politician is an exercise in foolishness.
I, too, voted for the first time in a Presidential election in 1976. I trust Jimmy Carter and mostly trust Obama, and both far more than any other candidate in the 13 elections including this one, since then. Hope for the best, expect the worst. The only Republican President in that time who gave me ANY reason for hope ever (and it wasn't often) was Bush I.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

104 by Ylatkit
TrueTexan wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 11:05 am So you TRUST Trump to tell you the truth and believe him to do what he says he will do?
I snorted with laughter.
"When I have your wounded." -- Major Charles L. Kelly, callsign "Dustoff", refusing to acknowledge that an L.Z. was too hot, moments before being killed by a single shot, July 1st, 1964.

"Touch it, dude!"

Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

105 by Ylatkit
I trust Jimmy Carter now. I didn't trust him when he was in office, I thought he was too weak.

Now I see that his strength, humanity and manhood were simply rooted in areas other than politics.
"When I have your wounded." -- Major Charles L. Kelly, callsign "Dustoff", refusing to acknowledge that an L.Z. was too hot, moments before being killed by a single shot, July 1st, 1964.

"Touch it, dude!"

Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

106 by CDFingers
Ylatkit wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:58 pm You are the first person I've met in thirty years on the internet who knows what the one exception to the statement "all rights are limited" is.
I learned that from this board some time back. I don't remember who said it. But I must say, "Trusting a politician is an exercise in foolishness" is a highly appropriate statement that could be applied through the ages.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

107 by CowboyT
YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:56 pm I'm tired of arguing with people who are pissed at the way any Democrat has arranged the deck chairs on the Titanic and refusing therefore to get into the lifeboats with them. Some even arguing that the Titanic is so badly headed in the wrong direction that maybe it's better for it to sink!

I just hope you're not voting in swing states.
Perhaps if the Democrats hadn't knocked all those holes in the ship, thus helping cause it to sink, those who now criticize the Democrats wouldn't be doing so. Not saying the Democrats were alone; the Republicans knocked plenty of their own holes, too. But giving the Democrats a "pass" just because they're not Republicans doesn't work, either, when their actions show that neither one of them wants to actually fix the holes and keep it from sinking.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

108 by VodoundaVinci
Dun't bug me that folks feel that The Blue Team is the lesser of two present dangers and evils and thus they will cast their vote for that team. It dun't upset me nor vex me that other folks feel that Team Red is the lesser of the two present dangers and evils and thus they will cast their vote for that team.

What *does* make me irritated and prompts me to withdraw is when folks decide that their team really does have the correct answers, mindset, and platform and that for me not to recognise that their team is worthy of *my* vote means I'm stupid or ignorant. The insinuations that I'm not clever enough to pour piss out of a boot (or water out of a bucket with instructions) because I will not buy that their team is all that and a bag of chips is inappropriate.

We got shit for parties and shit for candidates and this Republic will suffer no matter who is elected. They all suck - which one sucks less is yer opinion and the perception of that is not my failure. You do you and I'll do me as the saying goes. it's the Liberal Way, is it not?

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

109 by sikacz
CowboyT wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 2:34 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:56 pm I'm tired of arguing with people who are pissed at the way any Democrat has arranged the deck chairs on the Titanic and refusing therefore to get into the lifeboats with them. Some even arguing that the Titanic is so badly headed in the wrong direction that maybe it's better for it to sink!

I just hope you're not voting in swing states.
Perhaps if the Democrats hadn't knocked all those holes in the ship, thus helping cause it to sink, those who now criticize the Democrats wouldn't be doing so. Not saying the Democrats were alone; the Republicans knocked plenty of their own holes, too. But giving the Democrats a "pass" just because they're not Republicans doesn't work, either, when their actions show that neither one of them wants to actually fix the holes and keep it from sinking.
Agree.
VodoundaVinci wrote: Dun't bug me that folks feel that The Blue Team is the lesser of two present dangers and evils and thus they will cast their vote for that team. It dun't upset me nor vex me that other folks feel that Team Red is the lesser of the two present dangers and evils and thus they will cast their vote for that team.

What *does* make me irritated and prompts me to withdraw is when folks decide that their team really does have the correct answers, mindset, and platform and that for me not to recognise that their team is worthy of *my* vote means I'm stupid or ignorant. The insinuations that I'm not clever enough to pour piss out of a boot (or water out of a bucket with instructions) because I will not buy that their team is all that and a bag of chips is inappropriate.

We got shit for parties and shit for candidates and this Republic will suffer no matter who is elected. They all suck - which one sucks less is yer opinion and the perception of that is not my failure. You do you and I'll do me as the saying goes. it's the Liberal Way, is it not?

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

112 by VodoundaVinci
Eris, no ill will implied but is it everyone who is being uncivil? I consider myself and my responses to be civil but the name calling and insinuations are completely out of place on a Liberal Forum. Please.

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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

113 by Eris
VodoundaVinci wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 5:47 pm Eris, no ill will implied but is it everyone who is being uncivil? I consider myself and my responses to be civil but the name calling and insinuations are completely out of place on a Liberal Forum. Please.
I was just avoiding calling out any particular person. Calling out people by name in public is generally a bad idea.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

115 by Ylatkit
Eris wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 6:39 pm I was just avoiding calling out any particular person. Calling out people by name in public is generally a bad idea.
Yup, it is.

Adults argue issues, not individuals. I'm with you, Boss.
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"Touch it, dude!"

Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

116 by Ylatkit
I've been meaning to say this, and I keep forgetting to do so.

I didn't know Johnson was a segregationist. He's what, 1960, then the assassination, so 1964, isn't that right?

I was seven, so I wasn't paying close attention to politics yet.
"When I have your wounded." -- Major Charles L. Kelly, callsign "Dustoff", refusing to acknowledge that an L.Z. was too hot, moments before being killed by a single shot, July 1st, 1964.

"Touch it, dude!"

Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

118 by Eris
sikacz wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:08 pm I find the moderator action on this thread inadequate. Decorum has been breached and the offenders are not reprimanded.
I need specific posts to be pointed out to me then, not just a generic complaint.
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Re: Why I could never vote for Kamala Harris as President

119 by sikacz
Eris wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:10 pm
sikacz wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2024 9:08 pm I find the moderator action on this thread inadequate. Decorum has been breached and the offenders are not reprimanded.
I need specific posts to be pointed out to me then, not just a generic complaint.
That would mean taking the individual off my “foe” list. I see the uncalled for name calling and demeaning statements only when others quote this individual.
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