Indeed, it was. Thank you! :-)

Just in case readers don't put three and three together, we have to remember that we got the Electoral College from placating large slave owners. We got the "3/5ths compromise" to placate the same bunch. And one argument claims that we have the Second Amendment from them as well. The large slave owners were a severe minority, but they got their way, eh.

In her new book, The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America, Anderson traces racial distinctions in Americans' treatment of gun ownership back to the founding of the country and the Second Amendment, which states:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The language of the amendment, Anderson says, was crafted to ensure that slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those whom they'd enslaved. And she says the right to bear arms, presumably guaranteed to all citizens, has been repeatedly denied to Black people.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/10021076 ... -amendment

The Electoral College in modern times gave us Bush/Cheney which precipitated two illegal wars resulting in a huge deficit, and a huge financial crisis in 2008. And it gave us the orange spirochete with its attendant chancres and ballooning deficits.

Be careful out there, gentle readers.

on edit: one small group of oligarchs in our Republic will take power next January. Will it be the party with a 60 year history of being champions of women and minorities, or will it be the would-be fascists and wanna be slave holders? Heck in many red states women are pretty close to slaves right now. So, choose wisely.

CDF

The US Constitution was a whole series of compromises. Like any historical document or historical personage, they were created and lived in the context of their time, not our time. When the Constitution was adopted, over 90% of people in the US lived in rural areas, now urban and suburban areas dominate. The electoral college is with us until there is a national consensus to replace it with something else.

There’s not a single state where women are slaves. That statement is not worthy of anyone on this forum especially someone who has been a professor. Are women’s rights infringed, yes. Nobody owns women and women get paid wages or own the resources of a joint partnership. Absolutely a fear mongering and misleading statement.

sikacz wrote: There’s not a single state where women are slaves. That statement is not worthy of anyone on this forum especially someone who has been a professor. Are women’s rights infringed, yes. Nobody owns women and women get paid wages or own the resources of a joint partnership. Absolutely a fear mongering and misleading statement.

I'm shocked--shocked--that you're aguing something I did not say.

Here's an ad from the Lincoln Project referring to Project 2025. Of course it's a political ad, but its message lies in verifiable fact.

[youtu_be]https://youtu.be/N4QcUWvHMOw?si=q1-_V9MiAt1HYevz[/youtu_be]

We have to remember that the AG there raided homes of Hispanic activists who were working in voter registration.

A prominent Latino voting organization is calling on the Justice Department to investigate a series of raids held across Texas last week as part an ongoing election fraud investigation led by the state's controversial attorney general, Ken Paxton.

The raids targeted prominent Democrats and election volunteers -- including some in their late 80s -- according to a spokesperson for the League of United Latin American Citizens, or LULAC, at a press conference on Monday.

Investigators allegedly confiscated cell phones, computers, and other records, according to LULAC officials.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/latino-voting ... =113191353

Texas is where a twelve year old girl will be forced to deliver her rapist's baby. What do you call that sort of thing? Women are "breeders" and valued for nothing else among those seeking to control their bodies. How many laws do we see about a man's body? That would be zero.

This is just your state. The Handmaid's Tale is the goal of the red states. The rich and privileged will always get access to what ever they want, as they are the ownership class in a state where over 95% of it is owned by private people, small in number when compared to women and minorities there.

These things are very difficult to defend, but you're welcome to try. Be careful out there.

CDF

CDFingers wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:19 pm Just in case readers don't put three and three together, we have to remember that we got the Electoral College from placating large slave owners. We got the "3/5ths compromise" to placate the same bunch. And one argument claims that we have the Second Amendment from them as well. The large slave owners were a severe minority, but they got their way, eh.

In her new book, The Second: Race and Guns in a Fatally Unequal America, Anderson traces racial distinctions in Americans' treatment of gun ownership back to the founding of the country and the Second Amendment, which states:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The language of the amendment, Anderson says, was crafted to ensure that slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those whom they'd enslaved. And she says the right to bear arms, presumably guaranteed to all citizens, has been repeatedly denied to Black people.

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/02/10021076 ... -amendment

Nope, the Second Amendment was about the ability of the people to defend themselves against a tyrannical government, in light of the injustices inflicted on the Colonies by the British Government.

Rather, it was the "Black Codes" that kept Black people from keeping and bearing arms, specifically to prevent slave revolts. Those "Black Codes" later became the "Jim Crow" laws after the Civil War. Notable among those Jim Crow laws were...yep, gun control! Gun control...which was, and I quote, "never intended to be applied against the White population."

So, it wasn't the 2A that was racist, but rather the Black Codes/Jim Crow laws.

I would suggest you read what Frederick Douglass, who had been born a slave, had to say on the matter.

CDFingers wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:19 pm The Electoral College in modern times gave us Bush/Cheney which precipitated two illegal wars resulting in a huge deficit, and a huge financial crisis in 2008. And it gave us the orange spirochete with its attendant chancres and ballooning deficits.

Be careful out there, gentle readers.

Agree with you on the Bush/Cheney problem, and they were a problem. Ronnie Raygun did the same thing before with ballooning deficits. Ross Perot beautifully called this out during the 1992 debate.

https://youtu.be/jWo88Lr0rzw?t=478

CDFingers wrote: Tue Aug 27, 2024 7:19 pm on edit: one small group of oligarchs in our Republic will take power next January. Will it be the party with a 60 year history of being champions of women and minorities, or will it be the would-be fascists and wanna be slave holders? Heck in many red states women are pretty close to slaves right now. So, choose wisely.

CDF

All the more reason for us Liberals to be armed to the teeth, I'd say, if that's the concern. Given the affordability of America's most popular rifle, the Armalite-pattern, I see no reason why every one of us shouldn't have at least one, with magazines filled up and ready to go if the need should arise.

I guess a woman's idea is worthless who researched and discovered, "The language of the amendment, Anderson says, was crafted to ensure that slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those whom they'd enslaved."

We see that.

CDF

CDFingers wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 2:14 pm I guess a woman's idea is worthless who researched and discovered, "The language of the amendment, Anderson says, was crafted to ensure that slave owners could quickly crush any rebellion or resistance from those whom they'd enslaved."

We see that.

CDF

Yeah, I guess that, to such people, a Black man's idea is worthless, who actually had to live in slavery and risk his life to escape from it, when he said,

“From the first I saw no chance of bettering the condition of the freedman, until he should cease to be merely a freedman, and should become a citizen. I insisted that there was no safety for him, nor for anybody else in America, outside the American Government: that to guard, protect, and maintain his liberty, the freedman should have the ballot; that the liberties of the American people were dependent upon the Ballot-box, the Jury-box, and the Cartridge-box, that without these no class of people could live and flourish in this country; and this was now the word for the hour with me, and the word to which the people of the North willingly listened when I spoke. Hence, regarding as I did, the elective franchise as the one great power by which all civil rights are obtained, enjoyed, and maintained under our form of government, and the one without which freedom to any class is delusive if not impossible, I set myself to work with whatever force and energy I possessed to secure this power for the recently emancipated millions.”

We see that, too. And we see that the Democrat Party feels the same way.

I'm armed up. Hopefully you are as well.

I am never not armed. My most significant weapon lies between my ears.

CDF