sikacz wrote: Sun Sep 08, 2024 7:31 pm I want major change and harris has expressed continuing biden’s platform. That’s not good enough.

She's not Trump.

sikacz wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:21 am

VodoundaVinci wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 am The more she opens her mouth, the more I dislike her. I'd rather take my chances with Trump at this point. A Harris presidency coupled with a Blue majority in congress concerns me much more than Trump and his maniacs in the short term especially with the Blue Team's desire to reshape the 2A to the point we are effectively disarmed.

What comes after that is more worrisome to me than what Trump and Company will concoct.

VooDoo

Same thoughts. We’re in the minority here.

I think you guys should just go ahead and buy the red hats. The rest of us want to be able to see you coming.

VodoundaVinci wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:06 am

sikacz wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:21 am Same thoughts. We’re in the minority here.

Yup. I should prolly just shush up but that is as loathsome to me as being infringed upon and effectively disarmed. Bamboozles me a bit to be on a gun board where a significant number of participants are seemingly all for the folks who want to deny them their 2A Rights but I'm earning lots if not contributing much.

Still, it is interesting to me and this is a Democrat perspective on firearms ownership/possession in this century so I'm always happy to hear the perspectives.

VooDoo

Don't feel bad. Single issue voters almost never sway an election.

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:33 pm

sikacz wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:21 am

VodoundaVinci wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 am The more she opens her mouth, the more I dislike her. I'd rather take my chances with Trump at this point. A Harris presidency coupled with a Blue majority in congress concerns me much more than Trump and his maniacs in the short term especially with the Blue Team's desire to reshape the 2A to the point we are effectively disarmed.

What comes after that is more worrisome to me than what Trump and Company will concoct.

VooDoo

Same thoughts. We’re in the minority here.

I think you guys should just go ahead and buy the red hats. The rest of us want to be able to see you coming.

Yeah, I agree. Neither seem to realize that we will NOT survive another Trump regime, and it won't end peacefully. He's got much smarter total fascists in his ear like Bannon, Lewandowski, and especially Stephen Miller. Project 2025 is real, and Felonious is lying when he claims he knows nothing about it--just like he knew nothing about Cohen paying off Stormy Daniels. He's SAID he will lock up his critics. He's SAID he will get rid of career bureaucrats and replace them with loyalists. He INVENTED using the DOJ as a club on his "enemies". We KNOW what he's going to do, and we KNOW he won't leave the White House until he stops breathing or is carried out in chains.

This election is so close that both sides will be beating the bushes for potential voters in the swing states. I doubt the Harris campaign will be looking at gun owners in CA where she'll comfortably win the state with about 60% of the vote. The 7 swing states are another matter, both sides need to win those states and we'll see if the campaigns change any policies to get those votes. The polls in 2020 showed Biden much farther ahead of Trump than what Biden won by, roughly 44,000-45,000 votes in 6 swing states out of 154 million votes cast.

You might think that people voting for Trump are stupid no-brain voters and they probably think the same about you. And each side has about the same number of supporters with about 5-6% undecideds in between. Throwing rotten eggs or tomatoes at them or calling them brainless, won't change their minds, but go to your happy place and yell and scream all you want. Whoever wins is highly unlikely to have a mandate, it will be another squeaker election very likely with a divided Congress.

Since when has a mandate mattered?

I found myself shying away from politics last week. It felt good. May go back to that.

A warning to some: my dad is about ready to cut off a nephew that sent him a Fucker Carlson link. My dad watches hours of MSNBC a day. My dad is running out of family due to age and it would be a shame to lose someone he loves over politics. Keep in mind the poison being poured by both sides. It ain't healthy and it ain't real. I respect and value the friendships I have here, even if we disagree. But please don't ask me to watch Fucker Carlson.

Yeah, not a good choice to get in that knife fight with your dad in that phone booth. Instead, lament the decline of the SF Giants' defense while you talk up the cool new rule changes in baseball. ;-)

CDF

CDFingers wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:46 pm Yeah, not a good choice to get in that knife fight with your dad in that phone booth.

Agreed. I basically told him cutting people off, especially family, for differences in belief is why we're in the mess we're in. Seek understanding, not conformity. I love my dad, but for a liberal, he's remarkably rigid in his thinking sometimes. Aren't we all!

highdesert wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:02 pmYou might think that people voting for Trump are stupid no-brain voters and they probably think the same about you. And each side has about the same number of supporters with about 5-6% undecideds in between. Throwing rotten eggs or tomatoes at them or calling them brainless, won't change their minds, but go to your happy place and yell and scream all you want. Whoever wins is highly unlikely to have a mandate, it will be another squeaker election very likely with a divided Congress.

I won't throw anything at them, because of the legal principle of "there but for your actions". They need to act first.

I won't call them "brainless", because that just hasn't got the same throw weight as "chucklefucks", "leaking fuckwits" or "single issue voter".

As far as them thinking the same things about me, I doubt that. Chucklefucks, leaking fuckwits and single issue voters don't have the vocabulary, training, experience, imagination or humor to think the same things about me as I think about them.

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 2:33 pm

sikacz wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:21 am

VodoundaVinci wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:00 am The more she opens her mouth, the more I dislike her. I'd rather take my chances with Trump at this point. A Harris presidency coupled with a Blue majority in congress concerns me much more than Trump and his maniacs in the short term especially with the Blue Team's desire to reshape the 2A to the point we are effectively disarmed.

What comes after that is more worrisome to me than what Trump and Company will concoct.

VooDoo

Same thoughts. We’re in the minority here.

I think you guys should just go ahead and buy the red hats. The rest of us want to be able to see you coming.

Already done, years ago. Long live Red Hat Linux and Free/Open Source Software! :-)

And yes, I am an RHCE, too. ;-)

I've wondered a few times if hard core Linux folks are twisting in their graves about the hats. You guys even named one of your products Redhat, didn't you?

How does it feel to be identified as chucklefucks?

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:05 pm I've wondered a few times if hard core Linux folks are twisting in their graves about the hats. You guys even named one of your products Redhat, didn't you?

How does it feel to be identified as chucklefucks?

I wouldn't know, because we're not, but apparently you would. We love our Red Hats and wear 'em proudly. Microsoft's hated it for years, but we love 'em. ;-)

Do you use GNU/Linux? I hope so, if you believe in liberty.

Fun note: the guy who founded Red Hat Software, Mr. Bob Young, so named it because he got known for both helping people with their computers and wearing a red fedora (a "red hat") during his college years. So, people at his school started telling their friends to look for "the guy in the red hat". So, when he created his own GNU/Linux distribution back in the 1990's, naturally he called it, "Red Hat Linux" and named his subsequent company likewise. To this day, the employees there proudly refer to themselves as, "Red Hatters". I'd love to work for Red Hat some day. I still have my Red Hat Linux 5.2 box and CD-ROM for sentimental reasons; it was one of the first GNU/Linux distributions I ever tried.

Back to politics....

Makes me wonder why the Democrats, who keep professing liberty and such, keep supporting closed ecosystems like Microsoft and Apple, both of whom really would like to stifle that liberty and have been trying for decades. Bill Gates of Microsoft is a Democrat. Steve Jobs and Tim Cook of Apple are Democrats. Whoops.

P.S. I'm particularly entertained this evening with the new principle of "She's not good enough, so I'm voting for Trump."

I get so much amusement out of the single issue voter here calling other people who have expressed numerous time issues that are in disagreement with the dems and harris single issue voters. News flash, “not trump” is a single issue voter. Also claiming others are voting for trump when they are not is pretty childish. This is a liberal forum, not the democratic party forum. If you can’t handle a discussion without false accusations, perhaps you should consider not muddying the discussion.

I used to have an identical scarlet tie as Trump wears, and probably for the same reason.

The whole navy-suit-white-shirt-scarlet-tie thing comes from a theory that says contrast is power when it comes to clothes, and it was taught during the early eighties as "Dress For Success" and "Power Dressing", with "Power Suits".

It was (and still is) effective when executed properly. But if you wear your tie as long as he does, Saturday Night Live will make fun of you.

They made me go to it when I was working as a real estate agent, and there was even a whole thing (that donny misunderstood) about how your tie should touch your belt buckle. That's where it came from, but it was "touch", not "cover".

Since I can never wear it again, I burned my scarlet tie.

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:23 pm P.S. I'm particularly entertained this evening with the new principle of "She's not good enough, so I'm voting for Trump."

Who here said that, outside of an April Fools post or something?

I thought you did. I get all of you red hat types mixed up. You all look and sound alike.

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:01 pm

highdesert wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 4:02 pmYou might think that people voting for Trump are stupid no-brain voters and they probably think the same about you. And each side has about the same number of supporters with about 5-6% undecideds in between. Throwing rotten eggs or tomatoes at them or calling them brainless, won't change their minds, but go to your happy place and yell and scream all you want. Whoever wins is highly unlikely to have a mandate, it will be another squeaker election very likely with a divided Congress.

I won't throw anything at them, because of the legal principle of "there but for your actions". They need to act first.

I won't call them "brainless", because that just hasn't got the same throw weight as "chucklefucks", "leaking fuckwits" or "single issue voter".

As far as them thinking the same things about me, I doubt that. Chucklefucks, leaking fuckwits and single issue voters don't have the vocabulary, training, experience, imagination or humor to think the same things about me as I think about them.

You've been warned a couple of times by mods here for name calling. Insinuating some here might as well wear red hats then calling such the above ain't playing nice. Don't be a Dick. Be a Richard.

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:42 pm I thought you did. I get all of you red hat types mixed up. You all look and sound alike.

Thanks! We all do advocate the use of Free Software.

featureless wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pmYou've been warned a couple of times by mods here for name calling. Insinuating some here might as well wear red hats then calling such the above ain't playing nice. Don't be a Dick. Be a Richard.

I don't know if you're a mod or not, but if you are, you have the ability, so you might want to check.

Your claim simply isn't true-- I've been warned exactly once, and it was about something else entirely and had nothing to do with name calling. I've been extremely careful not to repeat the offense.

I'm willing to believe that there is more than one person here who wishes I had been warned a couple times, but it hasn't happened. At least not yet.

CowboyT wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:36 pm

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:42 pm I thought you did. I get all of you red hat types mixed up. You all look and sound alike.

Thanks! We all do advocate the use of Free Software.

I used to, but it was running payroll that forced me to finally spend money for software, and once I started I was lost.

I just realized that my post #2245 could have been construed to be a repetition of my original offense, so I changed the description of that offense to "...something else entirely," to completely avoid any chance of repeating the offense.

I'm a single issue voter. The guy who tried to overturn the election and remain in power unlawfully should never be allowed near the presidency again. That's it. That's my issue.

Ylatkit wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:56 pm

featureless wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:30 pmYou've been warned a couple of times by mods here for name calling. Insinuating some here might as well wear red hats then calling such the above ain't playing nice. Don't be a Dick. Be a Richard.

I don't know if you're a mod or not, but if you are, you have the ability, so you might want to check.

Your claim simply isn't true-- I've been warned exactly once, and it was about condoning violence in the wake of Trump's assassination attempt.

It had nothing to do with name calling, and I've been extremely careful not to repeat the offense.

I'm willing to believe that there is more than one person here who wishes I had been warned a couple times, but it hasn't happened. At least not yet.

Nope, not a mod, just a member.

Greengunner wrote: Mon Sep 09, 2024 10:14 pm I'm a single issue voter. The guy who tried to overturn the election and remain in power unlawfully should never be allowed near the presidency again. That's it. That's my issue.

Don't look now, but that's not a single issue.