"Gun suicides account for most firearm-related deaths in U.S."

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We know it because we look at gun stats, but it's nice to see a main stream media story pointing out that most deaths due to firearms are suicides, not homicides. The anti-gun mob makes it sound like any death involving a gun is automatically a homicide, they conveniently overlook suicides.
Gun suicides consistently outstrip gun homicides in the U.S., despite drawing less attention than other forms of gun violence. Suicide rates have increased in the U.S. over the past few decades and become a leading cause of death among young and middle-aged Americans. Gun suicides have outpaced gun homicides for the past 25 years, according to the New York Times.

Firearm suicides (27,032) made up more than half of all suicides (49,476) in the U.S. in 2022, per data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Yet in a country shaped by gun violence, firearm suicides also outpaced the number of firearm homicides (19,651) in 2022, per the CDC. While 2023 saw a slight decrease in gun violence deaths and injuries compared to 2022, there were also more mass shootings. The U.S. also hit a record number of suicides in 2022, underscoring the country's mental health crisis.
https://www.axios.com/2024/06/10/gun-vi ... statistics


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Homicides is not correct, I believe, because it can include accidental shootings with no criminal nor malicious intent. Still, for many years suicides have represented 60% of all gun death.

Most years, there are about 24K gun suicides and 23K non-gun suicides--51% : 49%. There are about 16K non-suicide gun deaths, but usually only 400 or less are from long guns (shotgun deaths are counted separately from other long gun deaths). ALL the mass shootings with ARs and AKs are in that 400. Lowering suicides by 10% would lower gun deaths by 6x more than getting rid of ALL long gun deaths.

2022 was an unusually bad year for gun deaths reaching to 48k, rather than the typical 39k-40k. It came back down again in 2023.
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I believe the lack of compassion that many Americans exhibit for suicides is actually what drives the current gun control debate. There is a tremendous fear of others doing violence to us. There is less concern that we do violence to ourselves because of course, “That won’t happen here.” It is a form of projection to externalize the threats we perceive rather than acknowledge the various dangers we actually experience on a day to day basis (a form of denial). As the data apparently have shown for decades, self-harm is a greater risk to us Americans than harm from others when it comes to firearms violence.

And then we may consider how many suicides are due to financial/marital stress and the abhorrence American’s hold for “becoming a failure” in the eyes of society. At a time of increasing wealth disparities along with post pandemic inflation and income insecurity one could imagine these financial stressors are quietly rising among average Americans. And yet no talk about our economic system in mass or social media as it relates to firearm violence and suicides.
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senorgrand wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:40 pm 60% of gun deaths are suicides, but 95% of the laws proposed by prohibitionists only address (or attempt to) 40% of the problem. Why? Because those are OUR people, and they don't deserve to be saved because they are gun owners.
Even worse: The AWB proposals focus on only 1% of the problem!
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YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:41 pm
senorgrand wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:40 pm 60% of gun deaths are suicides, but 95% of the laws proposed by prohibitionists only address (or attempt to) 40% of the problem. Why? Because those are OUR people, and they don't deserve to be saved because they are gun owners.
Even worse: The AWB proposals focus on only 1% of the problem!
Exactly. Shortsighted and absolutely doesn’t address any issue.
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sikacz wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 8:25 pm
YankeeTarheel wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 7:41 pm
senorgrand wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 3:40 pm 60% of gun deaths are suicides, but 95% of the laws proposed by prohibitionists only address (or attempt to) 40% of the problem. Why? Because those are OUR people, and they don't deserve to be saved because they are gun owners.
Even worse: The AWB proposals focus on only 1% of the problem!
Exactly. Shortsighted and absolutely doesn’t address any issue.
Yes, Democrats have tunnel vision, which is exactly what they accuse Republicans of having. Democrats have only one answer to violence, keep restricting gun ownership until they can make it illegal.
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https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads ... n-the-u-s/

And the rate of suicide via firearm is increasing every year since 2019 and has reached record levels. Thus Democrats have the statistics to double down on gun bans - people without access to firearms can't commit suicide with guns. So take 'em all/lock 'em all up. My opinion and observation is that the added burden of red tape and ridiculous/nebulous and ever increasing gun laws is actually contributing to the despair and hopelessness that pushes people to end their lives with a firearm.

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When looking at suicides by guns lets also look at deaths by overdose we don't now how many really are suicides. but the number is much more than gun deaths.
CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics indicate there were an estimated 107,543 drug overdose deaths in the United States during 2023
Now we don't have the totals for 2024 yet.
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Mental Health or a lack thereof is still very much stigmatised in America. People are afraid of being discriminated against if they ask for help or admit that they just can't deal with the world the way it is....and making more convoluted laws and inserting demeaning rhetoric, categorizing people and not fixing America's Healthcare Crisis is literally killing people. So lets make more convoluted, unconstitutional gun laws and then point fingers at the fact that gun owners use them to check themselves out of a world full of hate, division, and control.

Gaad help America as we sure as hell can't seem to help ourselves.

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Yeah… mental health seems a major stigma to talk about amongst the gun circles. That macho aversion to talking about our inner world is as senseless as ignoring mental health when addressing drug overdoses or homelessness.
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sikacz wrote: Thu Jun 13, 2024 9:35 pm It’s never good when health issues can be used against people.
Indeed. I keep thinking of the veteran who was judged to need help managing his finances. Because of that, he got dubbed, "mentally deficient" by the VA and lost his gun rights on the spot. How he found out: he went to a gun dealer to purchase a gun, it got denied, he had to go through all sorts of basically hell to find out that for accepting help managing his finances, he lost a Constitutionally-enumerated right.

Note: this wasn't a case of, "oh, he's acting like he's going to go Postal on people". No. It was simply a financial management help thing. That's all. And he lost a major civil right for it. And he's not the only one.

Don't think that other veterans don't know about this. I can assure you, they do, and I know this because while I worked at the gun store, our clientele is pretty heavily military veteran, so I asked 'em about this as the opportunities presented themselves. Yep, concern about losing their rights is a big reason why they tend not to admit to needing anything that even smacks of "mental help" or any other similarly-sounding "assistance". Democrat lovers can deny it all they want, but that's what these vets told me.
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What's really sad is many of the veterans don't seek treatment because they are stigmatize as being weak, especially by those that never were in combat or the macho civilians that run around in Camo with their AR 15/AR Pistols. I have known people with PTSD, My father was diagnose after the Space shuttle exploded and he had a flash back to being in a B-24 on fire and trying to bailout on his 51st mission over Europe. He was Diagnosed by a PA at the VA clinic. I also new other with PTSD and how the Fourth of July and people shooting fireworks is a real pain for them.
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