Project Thor, the ATF, and Democrats' bill to ban .50 cal rifles, weaken the PLCAA, increase reporting by FFLs

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No, not the kinetic projectile program. This is the now-defunded effort by the ATF to disrupt weapons trafficking supply chains between the US and the Mexican cartels.

In short, there is Republican interest in discovering the details of the ATF's defunding of the program, and the Democrats' approach is to push a bill that does the following:
  • Ban possession and transfer of .50 caliber rifles.
  • NFA existing .50 caliber rifles.
  • Weaken the PLCAA so shooting victims can sue manufacturers and dealers who, presumably, violated the Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act.
  • Ban the sale and transfer of firearms to those for whom a NICS check would show a Foreign Narcotics Kingpin Designation Act flag, which would require a change to NICS.
  • Require FFLs to report multiple rifle sales to an individual to state and local governments.
From September:
https://www.cbsnews.com/video/intellige ... smuggling/
YT link:


I would be particularly interested in hearing details about the "military-grade" weapons allegedly sent to the cartels since that suggests involvement by the US military.

Alleged congressional concern about the ATF defunding it:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gun-traffi ... s-reports/

Letter to ATF from Grassley:
https://www.scribd.com/document/6767119 ... F-director

Democrats' Stop Arming Cartels Act bill:
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/me ... onsors.pdf
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/me ... 0Intro.pdf

Re: Project Thor, the ATF, and Democrats' bill to ban .50 cal rifles, weaken the PLCAA, increase reporting by FFLs

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Not to be outdone by the Stop Arming Cartels Act of 2023, House Democrats have floated the Stop Arming Cartels Act of 2024.

https://castro.house.gov/imo/media/doc/ ... ls_act.pdf

Bans possession.
(1) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in para6 graph (2), it shall be unlawful for any person to import, sell, manufacture, transfer, or possess, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, a rifle capable of firing .50 caliber ammunition.
Requires registration of currently-possessed .50s under the NFA.
(b) INCLUSION OF CERTAIN RIFLES AS FIREARMS
2 UNDER NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT.—
3 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended by striking
5 ‘‘and (8) a destructive device’’ and inserting ‘‘(8) a
6 destructive device; and (9) a rifle which is capable
7 of firing .50 caliber ammunition and is lawfully possessed on or before the date of enactment of the
9 Stop Arming Cartels Act of 2024’’.
It would not require a tax be paid, just as the ATF did with braced pistols.

The act also would penetrate the PLCAA to enable lawsuits against firearm manufacturers and dealers for "having reasonable cause to believe" a transaction is prohibited under the Kingpin Act and add rifles to the multiple firearm sales reporting requirements mandated by the ATF.

No doubt they'll call that last one a "commonsense" response to a "loophole."

Re: Project Thor, the ATF, and Democrats' bill to ban .50 cal rifles, weaken the PLCAA, increase reporting by FFLs

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ATF doesn't have a good track record with operations in Mexico, remember Operation Fast and Furious?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwa ... 2C%202009.

Along with "weaken the PLCAA", this sounds like something being pushed by the Bloomie groups and Sandy Hook and Parkland families. The cartels have enough money they can find gunsmiths to build them whatever guns they want, like Pakistan has their gun villages.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9quIG0WHco
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Re: Project Thor, the ATF, and Democrats' bill to ban .50 cal rifles, weaken the PLCAA, increase reporting by FFLs

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From what I can see of this Democrat bill, it would thus also outlaw any rifle shooting the following cartridges.

.50-70 (used on the Black Powder Silhouette circuit)
.500 S&W Magnum (e. g. Big Horn Armory's leverguns)
.500 Nitro Express (used in double-rifles)

All of these are .50 caliber, and two of them have been around for a VERY long time, since the late 1800's.

Beyond the Hatfield/McCoy days and the era of the Kentucky Rifle, or possibly when the .50-70 was an official US Army cartridge, I'm not aware that a .50 caliber rifle of any sort has been used by civilians to kill anybody. The only such killings I've ever heard of have been by the police (who, technically, are civilians, I know) or military.
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Exactly. Next thing you'll see proposed bills that would outlaw "military chamberings", which would include a whole lot of commonly used cartridges. I'm talking about such stalwarts as the following.

1.) .38 Special
2.) .357 Magnum
3.) .45 ACP
4.) 9mm Luger (9x19 NATO)
5.) .223 Remington/5.56 NATO
6.) .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO
7.) .30-06 Springfield
8.) .300 Winchester Magnum

That's actually law in some countries right now. Yep, true; in some nations, you are not allowed to have "military" chamberings. Mexico and Italy are just two examples, which is why the .222 Remington is still used in Mexico and the 9x21mm in Italy. Just happens that the 9x21mm also gets used sometimes in USPSA matches.
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Re: Project Thor, the ATF, and Democrats' bill to ban .50 cal rifles, weaken the PLCAA, increase reporting by FFLs

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CowboyT wrote: Tue May 21, 2024 8:55 pm Exactly. Next thing you'll see proposed bills that would outlaw "military chamberings", which would include a whole lot of commonly used cartridges. I'm talking about such stalwarts as the following.

1.) .38 Special
2.) .357 Magnum
3.) .45 ACP
4.) 9mm Luger (9x19 NATO)
5.) .223 Remington/5.56 NATO
6.) .308 Winchester/7.62 NATO
7.) .30-06 Springfield
8.) .300 Winchester Magnum

That's actually law in some countries right now. Yep, true; in some nations, you are not allowed to have "military" chamberings. Mexico and Italy are just two examples, which is why the .222 Remington is still used in Mexico and the 9x21mm in Italy. Just happens that the 9x21mm also gets used sometimes in USPSA matches.
Yes, some countries do not allow its citizens to have rounds commonly used by the military. Of course they don’t have a second amendment which in theory should mean military calibers should be in the hands of the people.
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